VH4 + Herbert?

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Tone of the gods.

The extended response and modern polished sound of the Herbert meshes very well with the raw aggression of the VH4.


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That's Herbert with midcut. Not a good comparison for me. When you compare them both without midcut, the sound pretty similar. And for me, they sound the same. We did once an A/B. I was blown away how similar it was.

The only huge difference was the clean and of course midcut.

So for me Herbert will always be the better amp.
 
That's a good point. I run the Herbert with mid cut on when using it with the VH4.
When playing the Herbert alone I'll turn mid it off.
They can sound remarkably similar...but the Herbert has WAYYY more range.
 
Yes that's true. I can dial a Herbert to sound like a VH4. But never a VH4 like a Herbert.
 
As an owner of both, Herbert (2007) and VH4 (2005) I would be curious to get your settings for Herbert how to make it sound like VH4. Im using VH4 as my main amp for live setup (in parallel with MAKO MAK2) and Herbert in home studio and practicing. I have never been able to get the same sound of VH4 from Herbert. Both sound excellent, but they do not sound the same. Rather close yes, but I interpret your comments to highlight that you are able to get your Herbert to sound almost identical to VH4. Perhaps it is my amp, but I am not able to get that pronounced and percussive middle punch from Herbert that I get from VH4. Herbert seems to always sound much more "soft" or "smooth" in middle frequencies when compared to VH4. Honesty, I would not even want them to sound identical, but if one can make Herbert sound like VH4 for sure I want to learn how.
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Forget about that my friend!
We had both amps connected with my cab. So every amp had two speakers. And we had an aby switcher connected.

Before we did that, we played one after the other. When I played, I noticed huge differences! VH4 suited me better!!! I was ready to sale my Herbert.
What happened? Your ears and brain do something weird after stopping to play. You are not able to judge right.
When we connected them as above, I was not able to believe it! And it's ok for me, when people don't believe me. I can live with that.

Oh about the settings. We did nothing!!!!! LOL
We first played them with our setting and turned the everything on noon. No differences. Response, gain structure...everything was 99,8%.
But clean and midcut was a huge difference. Clean even with midcut of was a huge difference. Herbert stays cleaner. VH4 becomes dirty. But sexy too.

So I'm little bit cured of my Vh4 GAS, but I wouldn't be unhappy to own one. :D

For me the Herbert is the evolution of the mighty VH4.

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We did the same like in this vid, but with midcut off.
 
Bato":1j0799sl said:
That's Herbert with midcut. Not a good comparison for me. When you compare them both without midcut, the sound pretty similar. And for me, they sound the same. We did once an A/B. I was blown away how similar it was.

The only huge difference was the clean and of course midcut.

So for me Herbert will always be the better amp.
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My results were the same as yours. The VH4 I played sounded very close to me Herbert without mid cut. I'll take a Herbert anyday.
 
bato: What about the playing feel? I except you to noticed a rather big difference there, didnt you? Herb feels "easier" to play, vh4 you need to put "more" into it and don't fuck up even a little. At least that's my take.
 
Nice one!

I'm guessing running it with a Hagen will give me better results as they seem to fill in each others gaps. This could get interesting!
 
I had VH4 and Herbert for several years side by side and did a lot of A/B comparisions with a switcher as well. My Herbert sounded and felt very different from the VH4 :confused:

We even did the same tests some months ago in the Musik Produktiv testing room where you can instantly switch between heads, same impression: very different sounds.

But maybe my ears are just strange, I don't know :D
 
kahawe":386onssm said:
bato: What about the playing feel? I except you to noticed a rather big difference there, didnt you? Herb feels "easier" to play, vh4 you need to put "more" into it and don't fuck up even a little. At least that's my take.
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You know what, when I played this VH4 I was overwhelmed of the playing feel. In this moment I was ready to sell my amp and buy myself a VH4. After that, we connected the Herbert and I thought:" it is no big difference at all". We were 3 guys and started talking about compression, feel, attack, heaviness, quickness, fullness and all that weird stuff inside our insane guitar brains.
And then we connected the AB box. And the magic happened. In the end we were not able to detect the amp side inside the cab. Was Herbert left and VH4 right or the other way? And we did a circle of, playing, switching and listening.

Part of the pre discussion was how the VH4 has a quicker response. One guy read this, as all of us, in numerous forums. So it has to be right! Right??? In the end he stated the Herbert the quicker attack and response. But even in that point I didn't realize any differences.


And something beside Diezel, but very similar:

Last Friday I watched Etreme live. Nuno's 3 Randall amps didn't made any sound. So they called a friend of mine, if he could borrow the his Marshall DSL's.
Nuno's sound was amazing. I never ever heard that live!!! It was amazing. And you all know his sound, but you won't believe me if I'll tell you his amp settings!!! I didn't believed it although I saw them.

All I want to say with that is, it doesn't matter what amp especially inside a brand, you can dial them close each to another. It's only what do you want. Do you want a big 4 ch amp, or 3, how many watt, etc.

Hebert has defiantly the classic Diezel trademark sound which for me is above all. But Herbert has more options.
Dmoll is smaller, lil Fokker bigger but very sweet, Einstein has the best Texas blues sound I ever heard and so on.
But VH4 and Herbert are the classics for me. And I love them all, and would love to own them all!!!
 
Bato":vedgcshc said:
kahawe":vedgcshc said:
bato: What about the playing feel? I except you to noticed a rather big difference there, didnt you? Herb feels "easier" to play, vh4 you need to put "more" into it and don't fuck up even a little. At least that's my take.
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You know what, when I played this VH4 I One guy read this, as all of us, in numerous forums. So it has to be right! Right??? In the end he stated the Herbert the quicker attack and response. But even in that point I didn't realize any differences.
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EXACTLY.


I had the same results with a Mesa Mark 4 and a 2ch Dual Rectifier. I had them EQ'd so close to one another that no one knew which was which with an ABY pedal. Same with a pre 500 recto, rev F, and early rev G. Almost no difference between the 3, especially if once the EQ's were played with.
 
Bato":7fs8zo0b said:
Part of the pre discussion was how the VH4 has a quicker response. One guy read this, as all of us, in numerous forums. So it has to be right! Right??? In the end he stated the Herbert the quicker attack and response. But even in that point I didn't realize any differences.
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This is actually what I would have expected, weird that some forums say the opposite. I even know some die hard Diezels fans and sellers who caveat against the vh4 for that reason because you have to play very precisely. I haven't had a chance to A-B them next to each other yet but first time I plugged into the herb after playing my vh4 for some time I felt like "HOLY crap, my attack just JUMPS at me!" so yea, the herb was a lot more "instant" or "loose" and it somehow played easier, more forgiving of little inconsistencies etc. while the vh4 makes you work for it a little more. In contrast the dmoll feels like it is just HAMMERING those notes into the cab! :D

I think you are on to something, Bato - us amp lunatics like to think there are worlds if not DIMENSIONS of differences between amps when things are comparatively more subtle than that but as always, it's those 5 or 10 or 20% "more" that you will happily pay for. :)

And, who would have thunk it:
"Dont believe everything on the internet!" - George Washington
 
When I played the Vh4, I thought this amp is more forgiving and plays more fluid than Herbert.

When you go to test something, and you have a kind of information about it, your brain wants you to think, hear or see that.

When I bought the Herbert I bought it for its switching options too. They are made for me. So it's my no. 1 Diezel. That's all.

And after my experience I'm out of these discussions about that one inch of sound differences. But I wanted to share my experience with you guys. And the Extreme gig opened my eyes. I never would expect his settings on the marshall. So I'm sure Nuno would achieve his sound with a Herbert too. (But way better!!!;) )
 
Bringing this thread back to the top.

I am loving my early VH4 and Herbert together in stereo. There is no question in my mind, that the monsterous low end of the Herbert is unmatched and makes it better suited to modern metal, but the VH4 has this in your face aggression to it. I am really liking the two blended together in stereo. Now I'm curious about the Hagen.
 
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