VH4 with 2X12 or 4X12

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I don´t know what.
Unfortunately i don´t play in a band right know which sux big time.

I play my VH4 through a Marshall 1960 BDM which is the Dave Mustaine Box.KIller Cab in my opinion but maybe to big.
Should i get me a 2X12 and sell the Marshall or keep it?

My settings are

Gain: 13:00
Vol: 10:00
Treble: 13:00
Middle: 11:00
Bass: 13:00
Master: 12:00
Presence: 12:00
Deep: 12:00

You see i push the Power Tubes more.
Can a 2X12 handle it?
 
A 2x12 can handle the VH4 if it has high powered speakers or if you just don't turn up the VH4 that loud. You're running the VH4 pretty loud, so you'll definitely want speakers that each handle at least 50 watts a piece, but a higher rating would give you more peace of mind. A horizontal 2x12 takes up just as much floor space as a 4x12, and I much prefer the sound of a 4x12. A vertical 2x12 has a smaller footprint, but if you put your head on it, now the footprint is the same again.

Where the 4x12 gives me trouble is fitting it into a car. But otherwise, I'd just use a 4x12.
 
Yeah those settings are pretty loud. I haven't dared to go so loud on my Herbert yet. If you are planning to buy a Diezel cab I would say go for it without hesitating. I usually play at home and 2x12 is working perfect for me.
 
I think I would go for Diezel but the front loaded version. If there was no Diezel in the picture then the black rectifier.
 
Why would you choose the Frontloaded Version?
Personally, i like the sound of Rearloaded Cabs.
 
I always thought FL is somehow more in your face kinda sound, like clearer. Not that you can go wrong with RL.
 
I'm a fan of the FLs with almost all amps Diezel.
 
Dude you should seriously consider getting a Diezel 4x12, whether FL or RL.

There will most likely come a time when you'll be in a band again and you'll be glad you got a 4x12.
 
Regular 2x12s are definitely a nice bit smaller and lighter than 4x12s, so if you are on the go a lot and want to make things easier for yourself AND the sound of a regular 2x12 is good for YOU, they are a good option. But a lot of the upscale 2x12s these days are oversized anyway so the difference is a bit smaller though two speakers less can still make up to 10kg difference.

Practical disadvantage of regular 2x12s can be that the speakers most likely won't be pointing to your ears the way they do in a slanted 4x12. Some oversized cabs got a slightly slanted baffle, they make up for that. Or you work it out in placement.

That being said, a 4x12 is still a sound authority you can't quite touch even with the fattest oversized 2x12 and even mic'ed they sound different despite same speakers and all that. In terms of ease of mind of not blowing a speaker, it's also pretty clear which way to go.

The mesa recto cabs sound very uppermid-heavy for me and they provide for booooomy lows while your vh4 already has fucktons of lows, absolutely no need to fatten it up down there. You can't go wrong with a Diezel cab, they can keep up with the amp's power and keep the lows tight. Bogners are also good, so are Cornfords. Really, depends on what music you are playing and the sound you are going for. No two v30 (or whatever) cabs sound the same, wood and construction matter A LOT and the choice of the cab is almost as important if not equally important to the choice of amp.

Very typically, FL is for lots of attack and control and more modern styles while RL is a bit more forgiving and a bit less aggressive. But of course ultimately, this is up to YOUR own taste and you should DEFINITELY try the cab before buying it. You are in Frankfurt anyway, session/musikschmidt is right around the corner and they got a vh4, they got diezel cabs, bogner, cornford and mesa. By now they are also offering 3years warranty like thomann.

I have a practically mint Marshall v30 4x12 if you want it ;)
 
kahawe":m32w2aas said:
You are in Frankfurt anyway, session/musikschmidt i

You are in Frankfurt???????

GO TO MUSIKMESSE and try every cab of every manufacturer.
 
Profound":hfa6icud said:
GO TO MUSIKMESSE and try every cab of every manufacturer.
Regular folks not allowed in until weekend and then it is _PACKED_ full and overrun, you are lucky if you get to try stuff especially in over-popular areas like guitar plus not all manufacturers let you try all or even any of their gear, especially if it is expensive...
 
Thanks a lot for your thoughts.
The Diezel would be the choice.
Yes i am in Frankfurt and i know Session music.Been there a couple times :-D Great store by the way and the crew is friendly and they know what they talk about.They know the stuff.

I will be at the Musikmesse on friday.Kahawe is right.I have been there the last 10 years and each is worse.So many people.
But i could always mange to get a ticket for friday.Saturday is like hell.Believe me.
 
Metaddict":1ftnmhiy said:
Thanks a lot for your thoughts.
The Diezel would be the choice.
Yes i am in Frankfurt and i know Session music.Been there a couple times :-D Great store by the way and the crew is friendly and they know what they talk about.They know the stuff.

I will be at the Musikmesse on friday.Kahawe is right.I have been there the last 10 years and each is worse.So many people.
But i could always mange to get a ticket for friday.Saturday is like hell.Believe me.

Its my dream to go to Musikmesse. Even at Sunday evening to help on packing and cleaning.

Plan b is to read to the following topic

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=113600

Its for D-moll but it may help you a bit
 
Hi guys.

So i went to the Musikmesse.There were a lot of cool people.I had the oppotunity to talk with Josh Wibaut.Cool guy fun to talk and he has an awesome tone.
I also had the opportunity to play a few cabs.Peter helped me a lot.Actually both Peter.And my final decision is the rearloaded 2x12 with vintage 30´s.
 
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