VH4 with Torpedo Live

[jswevers]

Hi,

I am using a VH4 with a 2x12 FL Diezel Cab. Gmajor2 in the loop. I am using also, already for more than one year, in ear monitors (wireless). I have been using first a microphone in front of the cab with microphone amp, and later switched to an ADA GCS2 (cab simulator) to get the guitar sound. This signal then goes into the sender of the wireless system. This ADA is in the effects loop, just after the GMajor 2. So it is not a load box.
What I hear in my ear is a "natural mix of the IEM and straight sound from the cab.
None of these setups satisfies me, also if the master volume is down: sound in my in ears is too compressed, not realy a "live" sound.

I am now considering a Torpedo live? What is your experience with that? Is someone using the Torpedo Live in combination of a cab (so speaker cable goes from VH4 speaker out into the speaker input of the Torpedo live, and another speaker cable goes from the Torpedo Live Through into the cab)? I consider this because some people in the band do not have IEM and need to hear the guitar.

Looking forward to read your advice.

Kind regards,

Jan

 

[Ventura]

I am now considering a Torpedo live? What is your experience with that? Is someone using the Torpedo Live in combination of a cab (so speaker cable goes from VH4 speaker out into the speaker input of the Torpedo live, and another speaker cable goes from the Torpedo Live Through into the cab)? I consider this because some people in the band do not have IEM and need to hear the guitar.

Looking forward to read your advice.

Kind regards,

Jan

Jan, I'm no pro on the matter but people who have it say it's incredible - I did a little research on it and simply pulled the trigger. Makes total sense to me as to its operations and options. Nice piece of kit with great technology, and still thru-port able with a 4x12 or 2x12. Two Notes has a subforum on this site, and they've answered my questions quickly and diligently. Nice guys - and awesome product.

Good luck with your questions and thoughts - I think the TNTL is going to be my fave piece of gear for 2013. I already have my incredible amps, so why need anything else??

Uncle Mo

 

[steve_k]

That's exactly how I run mine. VH4 8 ohm out-> TNTL -> one 16 ohm cab and the other cab on the second 8 ohm out. TNTL to FOH mixer.

Steve

 

[jswevers]

Thanks for the feedback.I consider one of the following options.
1) use one 8ohm output of the VH4 into TNTL and THRU into 8ohm input of cab.
2) use the 2 8ohm outputs of the VH4, one into the TNTL, one into the cab, so then I will not use the THRU output fo the TNTL.

Jan

 

[steve_k]

Thanks for the feedback.I consider one of the following options.
1) use one 8ohm output of the VH4 into TNTL and THRU into 8ohm input of cab.
2) use the 2 8ohm outputs of the VH4, one into the TNTL, one into the cab, so then I will not use the THRU output fo the TNTL.

Jan

Hang on, what is your cab ohms? The Torpedo load is 8 ohms only. This is for going straight DI without any cab. Once you use the Thru jack on the Torpedo to a cab, the load is bypassed and your amp see's whatever your cab is.

So, if you take one 8 ohm out to the Torpedo, here's your 8 ohm load. If you then plug your 8 ohm cab into a speaker output jack, your amp will be seeing 4 ohm's equivalent load. When you do that, the Torpedo will also see 4 ohms and you will fry it, then you will likely red plate some tubes. Your option 2 is not the best of choices. But, if your cab was 16 ohms, you could roll with option 2 using the two 8 ohm speaker outputs.

 

[jswevers]

The cab impedance is 8 ohm. I plan to use the 4 ohm = 2 times 8 ohm output(s) of the VH4. One output for the TNTL 8 ohm and one output for the 8 ohm cab.

 

[jswevers]

Dear all,

In fact I see three possible ways to connect the Two Notes Torpedo Live (TNTL) to the VH4 and a the same time use a cab. I would appreciate your feedback on it, maybe also comment/advice from Peter.
The cab I have is a 2x12 FL, with two possible ways to connect: either you use one input (mono input, left one if I remember well) and then the load is 8Ohm, or you use the two inputs (left and right), each is then 16 Ohm.

OK here we go:
1) take the two 16 Ohm speaker outputs of the VH4 (which is equivalent to 8Ohm
VH4 16 Ohm speaker output 1 -> TNTL IN and TNTL THRU -> cap input left (16 Ohm)
VH4 16 Ohm speaker output 2 -> cap input right (16 Ohm)

2) take the two 8 Ohm speaker outputs of the VH4 (which is equivalent to 4Ohm
VH4 8 Ohm speaker output 1 -> TNTL IN
VH4 8 Ohm speaker output 2 -> cap input left (8 Ohm)

3) take one 8 Ohm speaker output of the VH4
VH4 8Ohm speaker output -> TNTL IN and TNTL THRU -> cap input left (8 Ohm)

So what would be the best choice?
I read somewhere that the settings of the TNTL are tuned assuming that the TNTL THRU is not used, that is, assuming that
the TNTL is used as a load. If the TNTL THRU is used the TNTL load is bypassed. In that sense configuration 2 would be the best.
My question in that configuration is: will there be a difference in sound comming from the cab (difference with respect of not using the TNTL the power tubes are feeding two loads: one of the TNTL and one from the cab speakers. I assume that these loads are not exactly the same and I think this will influence the sound that comes from the cab speakers considerably ... maybe Peter knows this ....

Looking forward to hear from you,

Jan


Looking forward to hear from you,

Jan

 

[steve_k]

I can assure you that with the load bypassed in the TNTL using a cab, the TNTL has no influence, tonally, on the cab whatsoever. Once it is bypassed, there is no amplifier attenuation either.

 

[hunter]

Dear all,

In fact I see three possible ways to connect the Two Notes Torpedo Live (TNTL) to the VH4 and a the same time use a cab. I would appreciate your feedback on it, maybe also comment/advice from Peter.
The cab I have is a 2x12 FL, with two possible ways to connect: either you use one input (mono input, left one if I remember well) and then the load is 8Ohm, or you use the two inputs (left and right), each is then 16 Ohm.

OK here we go:
1) take the two 16 Ohm speaker outputs of the VH4 (which is equivalent to 8Ohm
VH4 16 Ohm speaker output 1 -> TNTL IN and TNTL THRU -> cap input left (16 Ohm)
VH4 16 Ohm speaker output 2 -> cap input right (16 Ohm)

2) take the two 8 Ohm speaker outputs of the VH4 (which is equivalent to 4Ohm
VH4 8 Ohm speaker output 1 -> TNTL IN
VH4 8 Ohm speaker output 2 -> cap input left (8 Ohm)

3) take one 8 Ohm speaker output of the VH4
VH4 8Ohm speaker output -> TNTL IN and TNTL THRU -> cap input left (8 Ohm)

So what would be the best choice?
I read somewhere that the settings of the TNTL are tuned assuming that the TNTL THRU is not used, that is, assuming that
the TNTL is used as a load. If the TNTL THRU is used the TNTL load is bypassed. In that sense configuration 2 would be the best.
My question in that configuration is: will there be a difference in sound comming from the cab (difference with respect of not using the TNTL the power tubes are feeding two loads: one of the TNTL and one from the cab speakers. I assume that these loads are not exactly the same and I think this will influence the sound that comes from the cab speakers considerably ... maybe Peter knows this ....

Looking forward to hear from you,

Jan


Looking forward to hear from you,

Jan

Make sure you use the right outputs on the Diezel. If you have two loads with 8 Ohm (the TNTL on one out and a Cab on the other) you have to use two 4 Ohm outputs on the Diezel, not two 8 Ohm outputs as you suggest above.

If I were you I would ditch the cab. If you're on in-ears, it's not needed. Plus I would take the Gmajor out of the amp loop and plug it after the TNTL for even better tone.

Guitar=> Diezel => 8ohm out => TNTL => Gmajor (maybe with a mixer) => InEar and FOH.

If you need the cab for feedback you can have your guitar signal put on stage monitor for that.

 

[jswevers]

What I mean with the indicated impedance settings is, for
Option 1: take the 2 x 16 ohm speaker outputs of the Vh4: indicated as 8ohm/2x16ohm
Option 2: take the 2x 8 ohm speaker outputs of the VH4: indicated as 4ohm/2x8ohm
Option 3: take a 8ohm speaker output: one of the two outputs of option 1.