Wanting to join the Diezel family. Little help, please?

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Hey guys, Filipe from Portugal here.

So I know I want a Diezel, but can't really make up my mind. Since you are the Diezel gurus, how about if I tell you about me and my playing style and needs and you help me out? Here goes.

I play in a metal band, so a good rhythm high gain tone is important. I like a tight, fast response that still feels fat without actually getting flubby. I like the mids high, but I also like the sound of a slightly scooped guitar that is still able to cut through. I don't like harshness and sizzle (well, maybe a tiny tiny bit when need itfor aggressiveness' sake). Clarity is important to me as I play a 7 and I really like to do big chords and listen to all those sweet overtones. :D

The most important tone to me is the lead. I'm really into the creamy, liquid soaring leads. Probably my favorite lead sound would come from a Bogner Ecstasy. I just love Steve Vai's 95' G3 tone. I'd love to find a channel that is able to get a bit loose when playing slow, but tight and a bit more compressed when playing fast. Ha ha

So I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of rhythm tone for the lead tone, but not so much the other way around.

Cleans! I love those glassy lush cleans, like the Mark V has (really liked those). I can have a lot of fun just with a clean sound and some single coils. I also love to get a bit of dirt in there, like Andy Timmons for example (love his tone).

As for gain, I don't use much gain. I just don't like when things get all over saturated and mushy. I've been playing for the past couple years with an ENGL Powerball (not my favorite amp.) and I never get the gain past 9:00. So a quarter of gain in that amp is all I need.

I like versatility, but I don't fell the need to have 10 individual channels. I like pedals and I like using my volume and tone knob. So dynamics are definitely important. I love it when I can clean up a high gain channel with just the volume knob.

So, any suggestions? ;)
 
Try a Herbert and VH4 first. They're pretty different but both have that Diezel "something". Then try a Hagen and D-Moll.

-C
 
Well, the big problem is that there are no Diezel dealers here. No way to try them out. I'd gladly spend a whole day playing them until I've made up my mind, but it's just not possible.
 
Please send an email to peterdiezel (at) diezelamplification (dot) com
 
Filipe Ferreira":3ehp5kse said:
I like a tight, fast response that still feels fat without actually getting flubby. I like the mids high, but I also like the sound of a slightly scooped guitar that is still able to cut through. I don't like harshness and sizzle (well, maybe a tiny tiny bit when need itfor aggressiveness' sake). Clarity is important to me as I play a 7 and I really like to do big chords and listen to all those sweet overtones. :D
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The D-moll and the Herbert are the best imo for a tight, fast response, without getting flubby. They also have the mid-cut feature, giving you optimal control to dial in a scooped sound. The Herbert is harsher and has more sizzle, but provides more clarity.

Filipe Ferreira":3ehp5kse said:
The most important tone to me is the lead. I'm really into the creamy, liquid soaring leads.
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The Hagen gives you the most creamy leads, but the Hagen also has more sizzle and responds not as direct as the Herb or the D-moll.

Concerning clean sounds all Diezels high-gainers do a pretty good job.
 
According to your description, it's be the Hagen or the Herbert, IMHO.

Good luck! No matter what, so long as one ends up on your doorstep, you'll be duly impressed :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Uncle Mo
 
Olá Filipe, se passares pelo Algarve podes testar um VH4 , tenho 1 no estudio que vou vender por falta de espaço.
 
deltoro":6anfqwot said:
Olá Filipe, se passares pelo Algarve podes testar um VH4 , tenho 1 no estudio que vou vender por falta de espaço.
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Vai ser difícil porque sou do Porto. He he mas obrigado? :thumbsup:
 
From what I've been reading/researching sounds like the Hagen might just take the cake.

Still not sure though. Me, my guitar and a room with the entire Diezel line...that would be fun.

I'd probably still have trouble picking one amp, though...
 
I found this review of the Hagen. Do you find it accurate?:

CH1: "Hiwatt"ish clean with little break up if needed (gain 14:00h or "later" ;-) and - that's what Peter tuned "for" me - a top end sparkle like a Blackface/Silverface Fender (I'd compare it to a 65 Deluxe Reverb or Princeton).

CH2: Somehow a modern JTM45/Bassman with the usual Diezel Poweramp punch but more organic, faster, more direct but still similar to the second channel of a VH4.

CH3: THE NEW BIG THING!!!! Wow! Think of a VH4 3rd channel with the grease of a JCM 900 SLX, the fast, tight attack of a Mesa Mark V ("Extreme" mode or similar - but not "ice pickish"), somehow "5150"ish upper mids, the low mids and upper bass of a Herbert (without that Herbert subbass "omph!"). ...and it has really a low noisefloor.

CH4: More gain, less attack than CH3 - perfect for lead-sounds or mid-scooped crunch sounds. (By the way: mid scooped does not mean "liveless" nor does it mean, that you cannot be heard in a band context. The voicing of this channel fits perfect for a more technical-death-metal style or djent stuff if you do not use to much gain.


In other words: A dream for every metal/hard-rock player who likes Mesa's Mark IIC+/IV/V or Marshall JVM/JCM900/AFD or Bogner XTC 20th Anniv. w/EL34 or Peavey's 5150(+) (or 6505).
 
Filipe Ferreira":23hl4m7x said:
I found this review of the Hagen. Do you find it accurate?:

CH1: "Hiwatt"ish clean with little break up if needed (gain 14:00h or "later" ;-) and - that's what Peter tuned "for" me - a top end sparkle like a Blackface/Silverface Fender (I'd compare it to a 65 Deluxe Reverb or Princeton).

CH2: Somehow a modern JTM45/Bassman with the usual Diezel Poweramp punch but more organic, faster, more direct but still similar to the second channel of a VH4.

CH3: THE NEW BIG THING!!!! Wow! Think of a VH4 3rd channel with the grease of a JCM 900 SLX, the fast, tight attack of a Mesa Mark V ("Extreme" mode or similar - but not "ice pickish"), somehow "5150"ish upper mids, the low mids and upper bass of a Herbert (without that Herbert subbass "omph!"). ...and it has really a low noisefloor.

CH4: More gain, less attack than CH3 - perfect for lead-sounds or mid-scooped crunch sounds. (By the way: mid scooped does not mean "liveless" nor does it mean, that you cannot be heard in a band context. The voicing of this channel fits perfect for a more technical-death-metal style or djent stuff if you do not use to much gain.


In other words: A dream for every metal/hard-rock player who likes Mesa's Mark IIC+/IV/V or Marshall JVM/JCM900/AFD or Bogner XTC 20th Anniv. w/EL34 or Peavey's 5150(+) (or 6505).
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Yeah, but no, but yeah ;) The description of Ch3 and 4 are somehow accurate, but the Hagen does not have the tight (pick-)attack the Mark V can give you (concerning (pick-)attack the Mark V is very versatile with the pre-distortion eq). But the Marks overall feel (the punch, the directness) is similar to the Hagens (meaning it is not as direct as the Herb or D-moll). I would add that the Hagens gainstructure is very creamy.
Now this was an interpretation of an interpretation...
I hope you can somehow play-test these amps. Before I bought my Herbert I did several trips to different stores across the country.
 
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