weird problem running delay in my FX loop HELP STILL NEEDED!

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When I run my delay in my effects loops I am experiencing something odd.
even with the pedal turned off I am still hearing a VERY LOW VOLUME delay on my signal.
here's my signal path

guitar > Boss SD1 > Randall Head > Cabinet
effects loop send > MXR Smart Gate > Boss DD3 > effects loop return

I tried taking the gate of the loop, no change
I tried running the delay in front of the amp, and i can't seem to hear the delays when the pedal is off.

wtf is going on??? :doh:
 
I'm using an old Randall RH200, I honestly don't know how hot the send signal is. it does have send and return levels, but I seem to lose quite a bit of volume if I don't run both on 10....
If i just GOTTA run the loop volumes lower, I could do that...but I don't recall it really doing much for the delay problem. I'll try that again sometime soon- turn down the send volume to try and avoid "overloading" as you described.

any other ideas?
 
i spent a bunch of time fucking with the send and return levels and no matter the combination, i still get the phantom delays.

i guess until i figure out the issue I'm just going to run everything in front of my amp.

any chance you think this could be something simple like a cold solder joint? or just needing to replace or possible clean the jack?

I don't want to start hacking up this amp but I don't really have the cash for a new one so I've gotta deal with it for the time being!

help!
 
Could be some soldering problem. Maybe the effect bleeds into the bypass signal when it's supposed to be off.
You could try a little true bypass pedal to take the delay out of the path, if there is no other possibility to keep it quiet.
Or try to get a true bypass mod on the pedal..
 
yeah i could try that i guess...it's just odd that it doesn't seem to happen if i run the effect in front of my amp.
 
I suppose, the amps fx-send feeds way more signal level into the unit than your guitar does and this causes the problem..

Ah, the same as donbarzini suggested :scared:
 
yeah, it seems as though don may have hit it on the head...

are there any work arounds for a loop that's too hot?
be reminded, this is a SS amp..
 
This may sound crazy, but are you using battery or wall wart power? I had 2 DD3's that were very fussy about wall warts. A few of my power adapters caused all kinds of problems (noise, extra delay signal, etc) but worked fine with my other pedals. Just a thought. That same issue caused me to start using the MXR Carbon Copy instead
 
donbarzini":oqckliif said:
This would probably work but by the time you spend the money for a device like this, you might as well get a delay that accepts a hotter signal.

http://www.fuchsaudiotechnology.com/pro ... loop&cat=2
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yeah, fuck that I am not spending that much to get a $75 dollar pedal to work with my $200 amp! lol
great suggestion and if we were talking high dollar gear, I would probably spring for that.

troublehead":oqckliif said:
This may sound crazy, but are you using battery or wall wart power? I had 2 DD3's that were very fussy about wall warts. A few of my power adapters caused all kinds of problems (noise, extra delay signal, etc) but worked fine with my other pedals. Just a thought. That same issue caused me to start using the MXR Carbon Copy instead
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hmm this is worth checking into..I am powering it with a one spot...I will throw a battery in there and see if it makes any difference.

in the mean time, if any of you fellers think you have a suggestion let me know.
Does anything think this is due to malfunction within the pedal?
I bought it used and honestly, it's beat up a little (which is a LOT worse condition than any of my other gear).

Thanks again for the help so far guys!
 
finally got around to doing some more experiments.
here's what i found:

no matter how i set the fx loop levels, using the delay in the fx loop while powered by the walwart always results in "phantom" delays when the pedal is off

if i remove the walwart power and use a battery the phantom delays disappear
BUT no matter how i set my fx loop levels the delay sounds (not the original sound) become slightly distorted as if it's being over loaded.

so what's my problem here?
delay pedal?
amp?
both??

i'd appreciate as much input as you guys can give me because this is going to definitely determine my next gear purchase.
 
also...is your amps loop parallel or series?

the DI box will work as a cheap solution inbetween your amps fx loop out and the pedals input set to pad the level down.
ebtech may be a bit too pricey for your situation.
 
Neeklaus":21bvkawx said:
if i remove the walwart power and use a battery the phantom delays disappear
BUT no matter how i set my fx loop levels the delay sounds (not the original sound) become slightly distorted as if it's being over loaded.

so what's my problem here?
delay pedal?
amp?
both??

i'd appreciate as much input as you guys can give me because this is going to definitely determine my next gear purchase.
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I had the same problem with my dd3 as far as the distorted delay, and most of them that i have played have had the same problem. I think it's time for a new delay pedal friend!!
 
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