Weird thing with my Einstein's Tone

[Joeytpg]

I have my Einstein running with a Boss ME-50 in the serial loop (100% wet) ......my amp feels TIGHT, RAW, INCREDIBLE like this....... I unplugged the ME-50 today and played directly with nothing in the loop.....and for some reason the amp sounds ........... less incredible. It's GREAT but it goes from a Heavy MEtal machine to a Hard Rock machine......it looses "tightness" and even some "gain" what do you think this is?

I'm not using the ME-50 for anything other than reverb/delay/fx...... and not even using THAT much........

any ideas? I though pedals/fx unit "sucked" a bit of tone from the amp.....in this case it's a bit different.

the amp sounds less compressed when it running by itself, but with the boss it's more compressed/tight and averall better sounding.

 

[jesserides2005]

I think it's just what your ears prefer. I'm the same way with my Einstein & Intellifex. I'm so used to hearing it in the serial loop that when I play the amp dry, it sounds off to me.

 

[Jakob]

It's funny you say that.
I have an Intellifex as well, but I thought about getting a bypass unit for it cause it adds some digital hiss which I don't like at all.

That proves your point. It's all about personal taste.

@Joey: I would have recommended you to use the parallel loop if you just need ambience fx from the Boss. Just to avoid the great amp's tone to be undergoing analog to digital conversion and back. Your the first person I heard of saying his boutique tube amp actually sounds better when the signal goes through some, well, not so boutique converters. But if you like it, don't touch it.
Jesserides is actually number two

 

[Loghan]

We use BBE482i through serial and sounds like a new amp, very TOOLish to my ears.

 

[Joeytpg]

yeah, it's weird.....I'm going plug it to the parallel today, just to see......

by the way I have the loop mix knob at 100 wet in the serial......if I use parallel where should the knob be? 100% wet too?

 

[Anonymous]

Joey,
When using the serial loop, I was under the impression that the mix control was inactive, as the loop is already going through the pre-amp signal with the effects "attached".
The mix control will work using the parallel loop, wherein you are able to blend in the amount of effects signal you desire all the way up to 100%, which would again make the signal more like a series send and return.
This is how my Einstein works anyway.

Remember that when you place something in the loop, it affects the pre-amp tone of your amp, so something in the Boss unit is changing the way the amp is displaying your given choice of tone coming out. This is why you are hearing a difference.

Just for shits and giggles, try using the parallel loop and running the mix control partially up and then full up to see if you hear a difference in your tone. Each device has it's own sweet spot on the amp for voicing your effects to taste, depending on the settings on the device.

 

[duesentrieb]

You're simply not playing loud enough, Joey.
Crank it - without the loop of course - and enjoy it.

 

[Joeytpg]

You're simply not playing loud enough, Joey.
Crank it - without the loop of course - and enjoy it.

I'm 100% sure this is the f$^& problem haha but I CAN't! ( my neighbors would kills me and vote me out of the apartment) Thank god I'm moving back home next year (I have my own studio there, where I'd be able to crank the little monster)


Olaf you bastard......always have the simplest yet correct answers!

 

[PBGas]

It's the one area that I haven't experimented with that much as of yet....that Parallel loop. I'll have to try it. If it is going to affect the tone less then the serial loop then I would probably want to work with it more. I remember trying it once but I wasn't happy with what was coming out but I'm sure I had the effects unit setup incorrectly......

 

[Neuro]

Yeah, the loop control knob is only for the Parallel Loop! What are you using the Boss for? Just effects? I'm not familiar w/ the unit...it's not an amp modeling unit is it?

 

[guitarobert]

I have the ME-50 too. Assuming you only have it connected in the loop with none of the effects turned on, here's a thought. My guess is the gain is different when you're connecting the ME-50 vs not connected. Try removing the ME-50 and playing a chord on the Einstein's clean channel and take note of that volume level. Now connect the ME-50 and play the same chord, but adjust the master volume on the ME-50 to match the gain. I'll bet at first the ME-50's volume is higher and you'll find you need to turn the volume down just a bit to match it. If that's the case, it means the ME-50 is acting as a level boost.

If you don't find a level difference then pay attention to tone difference otherwise when the ME-50 is connected vs. not connected. The only other thing I can guess is that bass is getting reduced a bit when the ME-50 is attached. That could improve the tightness of the amp.

On a sidenote I found that the tone was much tighter/meaner when running the ME-50 in front of the amp using one of its distortion pedals with a light gain setting. This added a touch of treble and reduced some bass along with a small bit of overdrive effect. I hunted for a pedal to do the same thing without using the entire ME-50 but to sound better. I settled on a Maxon OD-9 and I run it in front of my amp most of the time on. Gain is very low, tone is slightly high, and volume is at a neutral setting. Transforms the amp's attack response from rock to tight metal.

 

[Joeytpg]

it has FX and a collection of boss famous pedals....... but I only use it for the FX (and it's mostly Delay/Reverb/Chorus/Flanger/ etc etc the usual......


It sounds better in the parallel......I cranked it a bit more and I think it all comes down to what olaf said.

 

[Neuro]

it has FX and a collection of boss famous pedals....... but I only use it for the FX (and it's mostly Delay/Reverb/Chorus/Flanger/ etc etc the usual......


It sounds better in the parallel......I cranked it a bit more and I think it all comes down to what olaf said.

Sweeeeet