What would you say is the best van halen module?

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When is say Van Halen i mean the guitar tones from early Van Halen with David Lee Roth. I know that on the egnater site Van Halen is referenced to describe the tone but does channel b of the sl have enough gain to get into VH territory? Thanks
 
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does channel b of the sl have enough gain to get into VH territory? Thanks
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For early VH, I'd say yes. However, SL2x closer to VH tones. Also, Dave Friedman's Brown Eye mod should do the trick as well.
 
I read somewhere that Eddie also runs his tubes cold below the recommended mv rating which gives him the "BROWN" sound. Would that also help you guys trying to get that VH tone?

("Brown out" is when your power drops,usually after a power surge, which is more damaging sometimes because your surge protectors or fuses protect your equiptment from spikes but not lack of.)
 
jlbaxe":33qw0tdo said:
I read somewhere that Eddie also runs his tubes cold below the recommended mv rating which gives him the "BROWN" sound. Would that also help you guys trying to get that VH tone?

("Brown out" is when your power drops,usually after a power surge, which is more damaging sometimes because your surge protectors or fuses protect your equiptment from spikes but not lack of.)
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not what I heard.

running tubes cold, to me, means a low bias current.

He ran the bias HOT, and had the line voltage coming in lower, like 80VAC with a Variac.

Also, Eddie says he wasn't even talking about a brownout when they came up with the word "Brown in regards to their sound." He says he was talking about the sound of the drums or something.


EITHER WAY--------> there is so much true/false/hearsay EVH info out there, it's not even funny. The funny part is, lots of it came out of EVH's own mouth.

IMO, SL B sounds more like EVH that SL2X A. Just my opinion. The SL module has more clangck to it.
 
Thanks for the replies. Im really looking forward to the new module clips, i havent found any good clips that give a good representation of what sl channel B is capable of. Im really hoping that the sl can get pretty heavy because i havent liked any clips ive heard of the sl2 or the sl2x but LOVED the stuff ive heard of sl channel A
 
guitarslinger":1ybsoc2d said:
jlbaxe":1ybsoc2d said:
I read somewhere that Eddie also runs his tubes cold below the recommended mv rating which gives him the "BROWN" sound. Would that also help you guys trying to get that VH tone?

("Brown out" is when your power drops,usually after a power surge, which is more damaging sometimes because your surge protectors or fuses protect your equiptment from spikes but not lack of.)
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not what I heard.

running tubes cold, to me, means a low bias current.

He ran the bias HOT, and had the line voltage coming in lower, like 80VAC with a Variac.

Also, Eddie says he wasn't even talking about a brownout when they came up with the word "Brown in regards to their sound." He says he was talking about the sound of the drums or something.


EITHER WAY--------> there is so much true/false/hearsay EVH info out there, it's not even funny. The funny part is, lots of it came out of EVH's own mouth.

IMO, SL B sounds more like EVH that SL2X A. Just my opinion. The SL module has more clangck to it.
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I do not really know anything about his sound. I just threw out what I read somewhere. Running tubes cold would to me make The sound less driven, cleaner. That is one guitarist I haven't really tried to emulate his tone.
 
Here is a clip of EVH riffs I did a while back with my MOD100 featuring the Dave Friedman Hairy Brown Eye Module with a cheap photo camera recorder....

 
Superunknown":15ez3b1b said:
Here is a clip of EVH riffs I did a while back with my MOD100 featuring the Dave Friedman Hairy Brown Eye Module with a cheap photo camera recorder....

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Very cool! What are your settings?
 
tehuk":1px7vckm said:
Superunknown":1px7vckm said:
Here is a clip of EVH riffs I did a while back with my MOD100 featuring the Dave Friedman Hairy Brown Eye Module with a cheap photo camera recorder....

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Very cool! What are your settings?
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Very cool as well! What tubes in module and amp?
 
Thanks guys! The specifics are as follows:

Rosewood Axis, Evidence Cables, MOD100, Bogner Cab w/Webers.

The module used was a dual channel HBE loaded with EH 12ax7's. The MOD100 had stock 5881's with Sovtek WA's in the loop and PI and a Sovtek WC in V1.

Setting were: Channel B, Bright = 2, Bass Boost = 1, Bass = 6, Mid = 4, Treble = 6, Gain = 6, Presence = 6, Density = 3, Master = 4.5.
 
There is the "perceived" VH1 tone and the "real" VH1 tone. Many would say SL2 or SL2X but, in reality, those modules have a ton more gain than EVH used back then. Go back and listen and you will find that he had less gain than we think, minimal low end and lots of high end. In reality the SL B side is probably closer. I remember comparing our modules to a great sounding Plexi Marshall using a switcher so we could flip back and forth between the Marshall and the modules. That was an enlightening experience. With the guitar volume knob full up, we thought we had nailed it with the SL2. Turning the guitar volume down revealed we had WAY more gain than the Marshall even thought they sounded very close with the guitar knob full up. Turned out the SL B was much more like the real Plexi though the SL2 with more gain was , of course, easier and more fun to play. So, when you say VH1, you must clarify in your mind what is real and what is perceived.

Egnater....
 
Thanks Bruce!

I can see how the SL would be a contender. Interesting as I have not given much thought about using for the VH sound.

I don't want to hijack this thread, but I really enjoyed reading your antecdote on the SL/SL2 modules and comparing them to the Plexi. If and when you ever get extra time, I'm sure we'd all love to hear other stories like this about the development of the modules and respective reference tones! :rock:
 
bruce egnater":rsaqbi2y said:
There is the "perceived" VH1 tone and the "real" VH1 tone. Many would say SL2 or SL2X but, in reality, those modules have a ton more gain than EVH used back then. Go back and listen and you will find that he had less gain than we think, minimal low end and lots of high end. In reality the SL B side is probably closer. I remember comparing our modules to a great sounding Plexi Marshall using a switcher so we could flip back and forth between the Marshall and the modules. That was an enlightening experience. With the guitar volume knob full up, we thought we had nailed it with the SL2. Turning the guitar volume down revealed we had WAY more gain than the Marshall even thought they sounded very close with the guitar knob full up. Turned out the SL B was much more like the real Plexi though the SL2 with more gain was , of course, easier and more fun to play. So, when you say VH1, you must clarify in your mind what is real and what is perceived.

Egnater....
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Interesting... Thanks a lot Bruce, this helps a ton. How did Eddie get his tone to sound like he had more gain?
 
aggressive right hand attack, and the power amp distortion in general. eddie also had this complex slaving business going on, although whether that was in the studio or just live i don't know. I think he also used a Boss EQ in front to boost his output, which you could do with pretty much any neutral clean boost probably (rc booster?)

production is also a factor.
 
Here is a link to a quick clip i did today of Hot For Teacher using an MP3 of VH's bed tracks (Drums,Bass,Vox) i found on the web.
I just replaced the Guitars. Hope it's ok to post that. If not i'll pull it down

I'm using a MOD50 and Dual SL Module that has been modded by D.F to a Brown Eye. The Clean bit is a DLX module on the A side.

https://www.myspace.com/graymatteraudio
 
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