What's the best high powered greenback for metal?

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I love my Butterslax and 412/15, but wanna play It late at night, so I'm getting a avatar 112 built with either a creamback h/m, or should I go WGS, never tried scumback.

Educate me. I want a greenback crunch for late night, with good punch and sizzle.

Or should I just get a torpedo live?
 
If it's for "late night" then you don't need to worry about volume and therefore you don't need to worry about power handling of the speaker. So... I would go with a regular 25-watt G12M-25 Greenback. The regular Chinese one. They are great for high-gain and sound good at low volume. That's what I use in my Bogner cabs. Sounds fantastic.
 
I also have a nice dovetail avatar 212, does 2 of the greenbacks do well with "lower" volume?
 
FourT6and2":13cly1cw said:
If it's for "late night" then you don't need to worry about volume and therefore you don't need to worry about power handling of the speaker. So... I would go with a regular 25-watt G12M-25 Greenback. The regular Chinese one. They are great for high-gain and sound good at low volume. That's what I use in my Bogner cabs. Sounds fantastic.
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This +1.

I have them in several of my Bogner 4X12s. :yes:
 
Try the Lynchbacks - tighter bass ,less mids , smoother top end and can handle an asskicking
 
G12-65s from the late 70's / early 80's anyone? Those are the original "high powered Greenbacks" and such underrated speakers IMO. :D
 
keennay":48vljtmb said:
G12-65s from the late 70's / early 80's anyone? Those are the original "high powered Greenbacks" and such underrated speakers IMO. :D
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I mean... the guy just wants a speaker (or two) for late-night playing at low volume. Why bother spending a premium for an expensive vintage speaker that only comes alive when you crank it? I have a 4x12 with original G12-65s and they are great. But ONLY at high volumes. You have to really push them for them to come alive, otherwise they sound dark and fuzzy. But when pushed they open up and sound like a piano.

And at low volumes, you kinda want a speaker with a lot of mids. The regular ol' G12M-25 is just a perfect speaker. It's inexpensive. And it gets shit done.

The OP has an amp (Butterslax) that is on the darker end of the Marshall-sound spectrum. So you don't want to pair it with a dark, round, fuzzy speaker like the 65 or any of the new Creamback varieties. That's my opinion at least. A G12M-25 or maybe even the G12H-30 would work just fine I think. But that's just me.
 
LunatiBSW":3ljcjxkz said:
I also have a nice dovetail avatar 212, does 2 of the greenbacks do well with "lower" volume?
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Sure.
 
FourT6and2":28dpvp4e said:
keennay":28dpvp4e said:
G12-65s from the late 70's / early 80's anyone? Those are the original "high powered Greenbacks" and such underrated speakers IMO. :D
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I mean... the guy just wants a speaker (or two) for late-night playing at low volume. Why bother spending a premium for an expensive vintage speaker that only comes alive when you crank it? I have a 4x12 with original G12-65s and they are great. But ONLY at high volumes. You have to really push them for them to come alive, otherwise they sound dark and fuzzy. But when pushed they open up and sound like a piano.

And at low volumes, you kinda want a speaker with a lot of mids. The regular ol' G12M-25 is just a perfect speaker. It's inexpensive. And it gets shit done.

The OP has an amp (Butterslax) that is on the darker end of the Marshall-sound spectrum. So you don't want to pair it with a dark, round, fuzzy speaker like the 65 or any of the new Creamback varieties. That's my opinion at least. A G12M-25 or maybe even the G12H-30 would work just fine I think. But that's just me.
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The Butterslax 412/15, has the h30 anniv speakers on the top above the 15's. They sound awesome, but I went with your advice and got a new greenie in a 112, sounds like it'll be perfect from what you said and what I've read, and they have free shipping right now on all orders
 
Friedman is using the Creamback 65m in all of his amps that use a that style of speaker. I may not use it with a recto but since the friedman stuff is so tight it would probably sound great.
 
keennay":109l825z said:
G12-65s from the late 70's / early 80's anyone? Those are the original "high powered Greenbacks" and such underrated speakers IMO. :D
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Shh. Keep it under wraps. :yes:
 
For a decent low-end thunk (which you'd normally could use more at very low volumes, as most amps will thin out then), I can recommend the G12-H30's 55Hz.
Mind you, I'm spoiled after finding a pair of 1970 pre-Rola ones. I've owned a Rola version (with Pulsonic cone) and 2 'greyback' Rola's with RIC cones (1974) as well. The RIC cones are decent, if a bit boring/dull sounding.

After hearing some clips, I'm very interested in the Lynchbacks as well by the way.

+1 on DE-recommending the G12-65's, as they really do need some volume to shine. I have 2 originals and 1 Heritage reissue. The WGS ET-65 comes VERY close with more mid-definition by the way. But less je-ne-sais-quoi juicyness than the Celestions.
 
stewboy":44v9h2ys said:
Try the Lynchbacks - tighter bass ,less mids , smoother top end and can handle an asskicking
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THIS!
 
I was using original 1981 G12-65's in my 4x12 in this clip. Just some old JP at a club I played at in 1982.
This is plugged straight into my Randall RG-80 combo, no pedals, Ibanez Artist with DiMarzio SD's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFaWraXcmn8

I offer two versions of this speaker, the M75-LD (a touch more bass than the originals) and the BM75-LD, which is just like the original G12-65w speakers.

If you can find originals, great, but they changed the G12-65 spec around 40 times in the four years it was made. They're not all the same.
 
There are a bunch of greenback type speakers that sound good but IMO there would be better choices for low volume. Greenbacks sound awesome once they get some power pumping through them. At low volume they have a fizzy hollow tone. Even V30s sound better to me at low volume or something more neutral , the warehouse retro 30 is pretty good sounding, I had one of those in a combo and liked it for a single speaker setup at lower volumes.
 
cream65s too loose for metal IMO... no cut either... go with the H75!
 
Scumback Speakers":2t919t00 said:
If you can find originals, great, but they changed the G12-65 spec around 40 times in the four years it was made. They're not all the same.
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I must own one of the 40 revisions that actually sound good at low volumes, which is why I originally recommended the G12-65's as "high powered Greenbacks" for low volumes as requested by the original poster.

LunatiBSW, you may be better off going the Torpedo Live / Suhr Reactive Load route then.

FourT6and2":2t919t00 said:
I mean... the guy just wants a speaker (or two) for late-night playing at low volume. Why bother spending a premium for an expensive vintage speaker that only comes alive when you crank it? I have a 4x12 with original G12-65s and they are great. But ONLY at high volumes. You have to really push them for them to come alive, otherwise they sound dark and fuzzy. But when pushed they open up and sound like a piano.
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You can find these and the reissue G12-65s at the same price as Chinese Greenbacks on eBay.
 
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