WTB: 8th gen Chinese 12ax7

[Bxlxaxkxe]

Testing new or close to it. Could use 3-5 of them. Shoot me a message.

Thanks

 

[FondledDuck]

https://nesstone.com/product/unused-oem ... eamp-tube/

 

[the4thlast1]

https://nesstone.com/product/unused-oem-shuguang-12ax7-ecc83-preamp-tube/

Are those 8th or 9th gen ?

 

[FondledDuck]

8th, square getter.

 

[RedPlated]

Nesstone is the way to go for those 8th gens.

 

[Bxlxaxkxe]

Aren’t the Bs a little gainier?

 

[acalaf]

pm sent

 

[napalmdeath]

I go for reliability, vs. hype. I bought a stash of these at one time from Doug's tubes. I found nothing spectacular about them, and, most ended up in the trash after failing. I have $10 JJ's that lasted longer.

I don't get the buzz about these, at all... Tone wise, I find several tubes that sound better in V1, and others I prefer in other positions. Not to crap on your WTB, I'm just trying to understand what's so wonderful about them?

 

[Bxlxaxkxe]

I go for reliability, vs. hype. I bought a stash of these at one time from Doug's tubes. I found nothing spectacular about them, and, most ended up in the trash after failing. I have $10 JJ's that lasted longer.

I don't get the buzz about these, at all... Tone wise, I find several tubes that sound better in V1, and others I prefer in other positions. Not to crap on your WTB, I'm just trying to understand what's so wonderful about them?

All good. Primarily just that they are recommended over and over for the specific amp I have incoming.

 

[SpiderWars]

I go for reliability, vs. hype. I bought a stash of these at one time from Doug's tubes. I found nothing spectacular about them, and, most ended up in the trash after failing. I have $10 JJ's that lasted longer.

I don't get the buzz about these, at all... Tone wise, I find several tubes that sound better in V1, and others I prefer in other positions. Not to crap on your WTB, I'm just trying to understand what's so wonderful about them?

IME, they have a brightness that works with high gain in certain amps. Regular short plate JJs have a slight darkness to them that probably works well in other amps or for different ears, the long plate JJs are relatively glassy/scooped and have their place too.

The newer round getter Shuguangs are like a new speaker compared to a broken-in speaker (Beijing) with looser bass.

 

[Racerxrated]

I go for reliability, vs. hype. I bought a stash of these at one time from Doug's tubes. I found nothing spectacular about them, and, most ended up in the trash after failing. I have $10 JJ's that lasted longer.

I don't get the buzz about these, at all... Tone wise, I find several tubes that sound better in V1, and others I prefer in other positions. Not to crap on your WTB, I'm just trying to understand what's so wonderful about them?

Wow. Nothing in your post even remotely resembles my and most others experience with these tubes. Did you have the square getters or round? I do have some round getter versions and they aren't quite as aggressive as the square.
But, at the end of the day if you are playing through newer amps..I think you've owned the RD45, 5153, Splawns, Jubilee RI and others, those amps tend to not 'shine' more with vintage pre tubes like say vintage amps do. I've had the 5153 (twice), RD100, and a 2555X. But all of my amps now are vintage.
Nothing wrong with JJs but not for me, at least in a vintage amp. Too dark and sterile/flat sounding.

 

[LP Freak]

I go for reliability, vs. hype. I bought a stash of these at one time from Doug's tubes. I found nothing spectacular about them, and, most ended up in the trash after failing. I have $10 JJ's that lasted longer.

I don't get the buzz about these, at all... Tone wise, I find several tubes that sound better in V1, and others I prefer in other positions. Not to crap on your WTB, I'm just trying to understand what's so wonderful about them?

Wow. Nothing in your post even remotely resembles my and most others experience with these tubes. Did you have the square getters or round? I do have some round getter versions and they aren't quite as aggressive as the square.
But, at the end of the day if you are playing through newer amps..I think you've owned the RD45, 5153, Splawns, Jubilee RI and others, those amps tend to not 'shine' more with vintage pre tubes like say vintage amps do. I've had the 5153 (twice), RD100, and a 2555X. But all of my amps now are vintage.
Nothing wrong with JJs but not for me, at least in a vintage amp. Too dark and sterile/flat sounding.

Can agree more

 

[Metal1977]

I go for reliability, vs. hype. I bought a stash of these at one time from Doug's tubes. I found nothing spectacular about them, and, most ended up in the trash after failing. I have $10 JJ's that lasted longer.

I don't get the buzz about these, at all... Tone wise, I find several tubes that sound better in V1, and others I prefer in other positions. Not to crap on your WTB, I'm just trying to understand what's so wonderful about them?

Wow. Nothing in your post even remotely resembles my and most others experience with these tubes. Did you have the square getters or round? I do have some round getter versions and they aren't quite as aggressive as the square.
But, at the end of the day if you are playing through newer amps..I think you've owned the RD45, 5153, Splawns, Jubilee RI and others, those amps tend to not 'shine' more with vintage pre tubes like say vintage amps do. I've had the 5153 (twice), RD100, and a 2555X. But all of my amps now are vintage.
Nothing wrong with JJs but not for me, at least in a vintage amp. Too dark and sterile/flat sounding.

Can agree more

Yep! Most builders in the 80's and early 90's were tweaking their amps running with them, because it was the cheapest and most reliable tubes around back then. So chances are that if you got amps made in that time frame, they will sound as they were intended. If it's what you want of course.

 

[JMP2203]

C8 are not the ultimate 12ax7, but they are a great starting point, when i got a new amp i usually put C8 all the way, play it for a few days and then start to made changes, usually in V1 and PI first, then the loop tube for example, normally in a 5 x 12ax7 amp i ended with only 2 C8 and the other positions some NOS

 

[LP Freak]

C8 are not the ultimate 12ax7, but they are a great starting point, when i got a new amp i usually put C8 all the way, play it for a few days and then start to made changes, usually in V1 and PI first, then the loop tube for example, normally in a 5 x 12ax7 amp i ended with only 2 C8 and the other positions some NOS

Depends on the amp

 

[JMP2203]

C8 are not the ultimate 12ax7, but they are a great starting point, when i got a new amp i usually put C8 all the way, play it for a few days and then start to made changes, usually in V1 and PI first, then the loop tube for example, normally in a 5 x 12ax7 amp i ended with only 2 C8 and the other positions some NOS

Depends on the amp

thats a pretty basic comment, can you be more specific on your point?

 

[LP Freak]

C8 are not the ultimate 12ax7, but they are a great starting point, when i got a new amp i usually put C8 all the way, play it for a few days and then start to made changes, usually in V1 and PI first, then the loop tube for example, normally in a 5 x 12ax7 amp i ended with only 2 C8 and the other positions some NOS

Depends on the amp

thats a pretty basic comment, can you be more specific on your point?

It’s meant to be basic. It’s a general statement. Some amps thrive on NOS while others sound just as good or better with Chinese. Like I said, depends on the amp.

 

[Racerxrated]

C8 are not the ultimate 12ax7, but they are a great starting point, when i got a new amp i usually put C8 all the way, play it for a few days and then start to made changes, usually in V1 and PI first, then the loop tube for example, normally in a 5 x 12ax7 amp i ended with only 2 C8 and the other positions some NOS

Depends on the amp

thats a pretty basic comment, can you be more specific on your point?

It’s meant to be basic. It’s a general statement. Some amps thrive on NOS while others sound just as good or better with Chinese. Like I said, depends on the amp.

Yep I agree. I can say that honestly, from my experience the vintage amps I've owned, pre 95 or so respond better with the 6N4 or 8th/9th gen Chinese and virtually every other vintage pre/power tube combo. Ei, Tungsram, vintage Mullard, Amperex, RCA, Tung Sol, GE, Raytheon, Tesla, Sylvania, RFT, Mazda and others all have more definition and headroom in any of the stock/modded Marshalls and Mesa Mark 2C+ that I've owned over the last 8 yrs. Newer builds, like the 2 Wizards, EVH 5153s, Jubilee 2555x RI, and a few others I've owned all seem to like any preamp tube combo equally. Some differences in light/darker tone but not the HUGE difference for the better in the vintage amps. Makes sense; not everyone has the time to go out and find vintage tubes so the newer builds are designed to take new production tubes well.