WTB: Diezel VH4 (2007 Model or Newer)

[RedB4Black]

Looking to buy a 2007 model or newer Diezel VH4. Must be mint to near mint condition.

Send pics (including picture of serial number) and price via PM or e-mail: mhenson42@satx.rr.com

Thanks

 

[nbarts]

Finally!

 

[RedB4Black]

Finally!

Yeah. Now that there aren't any to be had on the used market.

Actually, my friend bought one recently and I love it. I must have one for myself.

I'm not sure when they were changed but his 2007 kills the older model I played once before.

 

[jcj]

Finally!

Yeah. Now that there aren't any to be had on the used market.

Actually, my friend bought one recently and I love it. I must have one for myself.

I'm not sure when they were changed but his 2007 kills the older model I played once before.

Exactly my experience. Cyndicate's VH4 killed my old one (2001)

 

[RedB4Black]

Finally!

Yeah. Now that there aren't any to be had on the used market.

Actually, my friend bought one recently and I love it. I must have one for myself.

I'm not sure when they were changed but his 2007 kills the older model I played once before.

Exactly my experience. Cyndicate's VH4 killed my old one (2001)

I'm kicking myself for not buying it when I had the chance. If I had only known. I'm trying to get Paul to sell it to me but he won't budge - even after I offered him well more than he paid for it

 

[Duolos]

You could always go new...

 

[RedB4Black]

You could always go new...

I may. I had someone pm me about a GC where the price was really nice. I'm hesitant about buying one from GC though - kind of like buying used - though he said it was very clean. The shop we talked about before regarding Bogners appears to have one in stock - based on their web-site - I may see what they can do. Given the economy and all, you'd think they'd want to move such a high cost piece of inventory. I have to get something offload first before I pay new prices and my Fireball sale may fall through.

 

[Duolos]

You could always go new...

I may. I had someone pm me about a GC where the price was really nice. I'm hesitant about buying one from GC though - kind of like buying used - though he said it was very clean. The shop we talked about before regarding Bogners appears to have one in stock - based on their web-site - I may see what they can do. Given the economy and all, you'd think they'd want to move such a high cost piece of inventory. I have to get something offload first before I pay new prices and my Fireball sale may fall through.

I can help you if you like...

 

[RedB4Black]

You could always go new...

I may. I had someone pm me about a GC where the price was really nice. I'm hesitant about buying one from GC though - kind of like buying used - though he said it was very clean. The shop we talked about before regarding Bogners appears to have one in stock - based on their web-site - I may see what they can do. Given the economy and all, you'd think they'd want to move such a high cost piece of inventory. I have to get something offload first before I pay new prices and my Fireball sale may fall through.

I can help you if you like...

Thanks Terry. I'll let you know when I'm ready. I may get some cash for a guitar soon too.

 

[Duolos]

Sounds good

 

[RedB4Black]

Money is ready to go. Come on. Someone must need the cash and want to sell.

 

[wolfeman28]

Weird. Back in May when I was looking to buy, there were about 3 at all times for sale..... I'm sure one will pop up on here soon.

 

[RedB4Black]

Got one.

I'm too impatient. I just bought a new one from Wild West Guitars.

 

[wolfeman28]

Let us know how you like it compared to the Herbert! I may drop the dough on a VH4 also, I love the Herbie but I'm thinking the VH4 may be more what I'm looking for....

 

[RedB4Black]

Let us know how you like it compared to the Herbert! I may drop the dough on a VH4 also, I love the Herbie but I'm thinking the VH4 may be more what I'm looking for....

I would probably have never bought the VH4 had I not been using my friends VH4 for the last few weeks. We played an older one earlier this year and both of us didn't like it very much. He then played a newer one at a GC when he was in LA. He liked it alot more and ended up buying a used 2007 model last month. I have to agree, the 2007 was much better sounding than older version we played. So if you get one, I'd say go for the newest one you can find.

I've had alot of time to compare them side by side. In a nutshell, the VH4 is alot tighter and has a more organic voicing to it compared to the Herbert, which is looser and more modern sound. Overall, they both have the trade-mark Diezel voicing. The VH4 definately has tons of gain for any kind of metal, but without the mid-cut of the Herbert - doesn't get as scooped/aggressive sounding. I don't find the VH4 to be overly dry or stiff as I've read in some reviews.

 

[Duolos]

Herbert and VH4....

I am not so sure why the VH4 is labeled as ONLY good for rock and the Herbert is labeled ONLY good for metal. Both amps can really do anything. I was in the studio and the producer said within a couple of minutes that to his ears the Herbert was the best sounding clean he has heard. I was surprised such a statement was made so fast but he has been in the game for almost 40 years so he knows what he likes.

I have found brutal metal tones and liquid leads along with shimmering cleans on the Herbert. I have found the same on the VH4. IMO, the VH4 works incredibly well for heavy downstrokes. It has a crisp, articulate punch to it that is both massive and clear and I love the low end of that amp. The right cabinets really help these amps shine even more. A decent cab doesn't make either sound bad but the right cab makes each sound that much better.

Regarding the Herbert, it has been said before that it can get lost in the mix and that it doesn't cut. I don't believe that to be true, certainly not IME. I guess any amp will not cut if you max the gain and bass and zero out the mids...lol. The more I play both amps, the more I love them. I think my favorite (barely) is the VH4. Not to mention, the Einstein is an incredible amp as well. I also feel the VH4 needs to be worked while the Herbert is (easier) to play. Neither are difficult to play however if you are sloppy, the Herbert is more forgiving IMO, then the VH4.

Here are my thoughts regarding the two broken down...

PM Riffage- VH4
Alternate picking heavy stuff - Herbert
Violin Leads - Herbert
Chords that ring, Notes that breathe - VH4
Cleans - Both
Jazzy stuff - VH4
AC/DC style rock - VH4 channel 2

Running them in Stereo - Heaven

Just my $.02