...the more they remain the same.
About 5 years ago I was attacked on this and other forums by a legion of Cameron fanbois because I suggested that Mark Cameron was taking people's money and not shipping them amps. These Cameron cheerleaders all insisted that Mark was a "stand up guy" and that everyone would get their amps, Mark was busy, Mark had personal issues, Mark had medical issues, Mark was blah blah blah...but in the end Mark was simply taking people's money and not shipping them amps.
So have the fanbois finally realized that Mark Cameron took thousands of dollars and did not communicate with customers, did not refund customers and did not ship customers their amplifiers?
Seriously, if anyone can still defend Mark Cameron please speak up. We already know that he has built a great sounding amp before, that's not the issue here.
Mark Cameron took plenty of people's cash, and there is absolutely no indication that he ever had any intention of giving them anything in return, which is not only bad business, it's criminal. If he was "hand building" the amplifiers (which I have done on numerous occasions) then we know that each amplifier had less than $1000 in parts (probably less than $400, but I'll be very generous for the sake of discussion). So if he's charging $3000 deposits and he's got a few hundred in parts costs the excuse of "he spent the money on parts and then he got sick and couldn't complete the amps" doesn't hold water, because he could have refunded most of the money, or all of the money to most of the customers.
I see a thread where an investor may buy the rights to build the amps and sell them, which would be cool because it should allow the product to actually hit the streets. But why bother, just send 1 amp to Nik at Ceriatone to reverse engineer and he can sell hand built exact duplicates for $600. It's a guitar amplifier, not a space shuttle. There is nothing in that amplifier that is so special that only Mark can make it (which apparently he can't even do). It's a collection of resistors, capacitors, diodes, potentiometers and tubes. Hell, someone send me one and I will reverse engineer it and send your amp back with $1000, which would give me a CCV for about $1500 and my time.
I really wanted one of these amps after hearing the clips of it. If it was a matter of too much money, or too long a wait, I would simply accept it and forget about it (like I do with the idea of buying a vintage Dumble). But the Cameron issue is not about the amp, it's about the man ripping people off, and even more it's about the blind allegiance of the fanbois who defend the man for literally years after people paid their money and got dick for it.
Go ahead, tell me what a stand up guy Mark Cameron is and how I'm just not cool enough to send in my $3000 and wait for an indeterminate amount of years without hearing a single syllable from the guy I sent my money to regarding the ETA of my amp. But you gotta realize just how asinine you sound when you defend this guy, after literally years of doing nothing about fulfilling the orders he took money on.
I told this guy that I was sending in my money to get a Cameron CCV.
About 5 years ago I was attacked on this and other forums by a legion of Cameron fanbois because I suggested that Mark Cameron was taking people's money and not shipping them amps. These Cameron cheerleaders all insisted that Mark was a "stand up guy" and that everyone would get their amps, Mark was busy, Mark had personal issues, Mark had medical issues, Mark was blah blah blah...but in the end Mark was simply taking people's money and not shipping them amps.
So have the fanbois finally realized that Mark Cameron took thousands of dollars and did not communicate with customers, did not refund customers and did not ship customers their amplifiers?
Seriously, if anyone can still defend Mark Cameron please speak up. We already know that he has built a great sounding amp before, that's not the issue here.
Mark Cameron took plenty of people's cash, and there is absolutely no indication that he ever had any intention of giving them anything in return, which is not only bad business, it's criminal. If he was "hand building" the amplifiers (which I have done on numerous occasions) then we know that each amplifier had less than $1000 in parts (probably less than $400, but I'll be very generous for the sake of discussion). So if he's charging $3000 deposits and he's got a few hundred in parts costs the excuse of "he spent the money on parts and then he got sick and couldn't complete the amps" doesn't hold water, because he could have refunded most of the money, or all of the money to most of the customers.
I see a thread where an investor may buy the rights to build the amps and sell them, which would be cool because it should allow the product to actually hit the streets. But why bother, just send 1 amp to Nik at Ceriatone to reverse engineer and he can sell hand built exact duplicates for $600. It's a guitar amplifier, not a space shuttle. There is nothing in that amplifier that is so special that only Mark can make it (which apparently he can't even do). It's a collection of resistors, capacitors, diodes, potentiometers and tubes. Hell, someone send me one and I will reverse engineer it and send your amp back with $1000, which would give me a CCV for about $1500 and my time.
I really wanted one of these amps after hearing the clips of it. If it was a matter of too much money, or too long a wait, I would simply accept it and forget about it (like I do with the idea of buying a vintage Dumble). But the Cameron issue is not about the amp, it's about the man ripping people off, and even more it's about the blind allegiance of the fanbois who defend the man for literally years after people paid their money and got dick for it.
Go ahead, tell me what a stand up guy Mark Cameron is and how I'm just not cool enough to send in my $3000 and wait for an indeterminate amount of years without hearing a single syllable from the guy I sent my money to regarding the ETA of my amp. But you gotta realize just how asinine you sound when you defend this guy, after literally years of doing nothing about fulfilling the orders he took money on.
I told this guy that I was sending in my money to get a Cameron CCV.
