What's better than one Diezel Hagen?

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2 Diezel Hagens!!! As good as the VH4 is, for me the Hagen is exactly what I hear in my head!!! So got another as a backup should one go down or go for a service. Thank You Peter for an astonishing amp!!!

 
Just curious...what is it about the Hagen that you like better than the VH4?
 
QueenCityGuitars":owc4chry said:
Just curious...what is it about the Hagen that you like better than the VH4?
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Hey Man

It just tighter on the lower tunings and a lot more punchy. It has what me and James (Diezel UK Rep) call 'Smile Factor'. You feel more involved in the dynamics of the amp.

I'm not saying the VH4 doesn't have a smile factor as it certainly does but I found when tuning lower it was losing certain characteristics of its 'Voice' that the Hagen retains. For me the Hagen is THE AMP! I know some will disagree and I know some found the Hagen to be 'too tight'. For me, it's just perfect!
 
Haha, nice setup there. What is that? 8 Channels of tone?
 
fenderbender4":1ea5o4g9 said:
Haha, nice setup there. What is that? 8 Channels of tone?
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Well one head is a back up so still just 4 channels of tone!

I run it either with a board or the Axe FX :)
 
Question: How does it do at bedroom volume levels? ....One of hr things I love about the Herbert: sound and feels great at very low volumes.
 
Hmm, it's strange because in clips, the Hagen comes across as sounding sort of fuzzy and messy while the VH4 always sounds very tight and glued together.
 
An awesome amp, the pair is looking awesome :thumbsup:

glassjaw7":gs2tvpfz said:
Hmm, it's strange because in clips, the Hagen comes across as sounding sort of fuzzy and messy while the VH4 always sounds very tight and glued together.
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It's kind of a different kind of tight, it somehow manages to both have that looser feeling in its tone (the Uncle Mo credited "greasiness") but is absolutely super articulate. Leads have precision clarity, low end stays real tight.

I'm actually surprised more people haven't gravitated to this amp, it's kind of a "have your cake and eat it too"...not as inherently sterile as many modern high gainers, but all the precision you've come to expect from them (particularly with K100's over V30's IMO).
 
angelspade":3m06hm2h said:
Question: How does it do at bedroom volume levels? ....One of hr things I love about the Herbert: sound and feels great at very low volumes.
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Sounds just as good as it sounds on stage! A lot more clarity over the 4 channels than the VH4.

glassjaw7":3m06hm2h said:
Hmm, it's strange because in clips, the Hagen comes across as sounding sort of fuzzy and messy while the VH4 always sounds very tight and glued together.
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Well it really depends on what clips you listen too. You have to remember not everyone is a great 'Producer/Sound Engineer'. The VH4 for me, like I said was very limiting with channel 3 being THE CHANNEL! I don't know many people who venture away from Channel 3 as they use it for Clean, Rhythm and Lead. That one channel would make a great single channel amplifier. The Hagen has a lot more gain and I understand that it can get fizzy but its not bad fizz. Its not fizz that makes the amp muddy or harsh sounding. I think it actually adds the sparkle on the overall sound.

Rock Bodom":3m06hm2h said:
An awesome amp, the pair is looking awesome :thumbsup:

glassjaw7":3m06hm2h said:
Hmm, it's strange because in clips, the Hagen comes across as sounding sort of fuzzy and messy while the VH4 always sounds very tight and glued together.
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It's kind of a different kind of tight, it somehow manages to both have that looser feeling in its tone (the Uncle Mo credited "greasiness") but is absolutely super articulate. Leads have precision clarity, low end stays real tight.

I'm actually surprised more people haven't gravitated to this amp, it's kind of a "have your cake and eat it too"...not as inherently sterile as many modern high gainers, but all the precision you've come to expect from them (particularly with K100's over V30's IMO).
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Cheers Fella!

I'm yet to swap out 2 of the V30s for K100s in my 4x12.

I know its a matter of opinion but I personally think the VH4 has had its time and the Hagen is the better overall amp. I think the 4 channels on the Hagen are more usable than the 4 on the VH4. The Hagen has a better 'Smile Factor' with all its channels. And by 'Smile Factor' I mean Exciting.

Its kind of like buying a sports car. Some cars are fast but don't involve the driver as the computers are doing everything. Easy to drive and don't need no race car driver experience to drive. Then you have cars like Ferrari that excite you just on start up and gets the heart pumping with adrenaline as you push the car to its limits. It feels more mechanical and although the computers are working away, they still let the driver feel in control. One wrong move and you are in a ditch.

When I say 'In a ditch' I mean that the amp picks up every mistake you make as a player and really does help you become a better player.

Its just SO GOOD!!! :)
 
Nice to see some renewed Hagen love here... I am a mega fan. And you're right, OP!! The Hagen excels at the lower tunings - just as the amp was designed and pitched to do by the 2 Peters themselves. It's not supposed to be a VH4 replacement, nor is it supposed to be a Herbert contender. It's its own thing. And it was meant for drop tunings to come across nuclear.

The VH4 is easy to record. The Hagen is a bit more fickle. They're both excellent. But I do have to kinda more or less cautiously and tentatively sort kinda mention that ya, the 4 channels on the Hagen have fun built into them. The VH4 is all about Ch.3....more or less.

Just sayin'
Uncle Mo
 
Ventura":1hxrfphq said:
Nice to see some renewed Hagen love here... I am a mega fan. And you're right, OP!! The Hagen excels at the lower tunings - just as the amp was designed and pitched to do by the 2 Peters themselves. It's not supposed to be a VH4 replacement, nor is it supposed to be a Herbert contender. It's its own thing. And it was meant for drop tunings to come across nuclear.

The VH4 is easy to record. The Hagen is a bit more fickle. They're both excellent. But I do have to kinda more or less cautiously and tentatively sort kinda mention that ya, the 4 channels on the Hagen have fun built into them. The VH4 is all about Ch.3....more or less.

Just sayin'
Uncle Mo
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Well my EP should be ready by end of August/September. Its ALL Hagen! Best tone I've got yet!

My last band the singer was using a JCM900 and I was using a Mark V. Tones were pretty sweet but the Hagen is something else :)

You can the last album I did here before I left back in September. casino13.bandcamp.com

If anyone wants a copy of the album for free, let me know :)
 
I do like the Hagen and it certainly has a very unique voicing....which definitely doesn't work for everybody.
I understand people who say it's very tight sounding, as it does the "start-stop" thing very well (actually feels like playing with a gate), and it also has great string separation.
But I definitely also understand the people who say its very untight or even muddy...by that definition of "tight" we mean how the amp emphasizes the pick attack on fast thrashy palm mutes, and the Hagen doesn't do that very much, it adds a lot of "smear" to that thrashy playing, which may sound "muddy" to people who're expecting that kind of tight (the pittbull UL had a similar thing going on btw, people say it's extremely tight, I never understood that, but that's just because of what we mean by "tight" and how we define it.).

So yeah, for MY taste and style it's lacking the quick pick articulation on thrashy palm mutes, so it sounds "muddy/loose" to me...I can still see how other people find it to be very "tight" sounding.

But that's just a matter of taste, not really a complaint.

The other "issue" I'm having with it is the lack of "openness" in the presence register, it's an extremely dark sounding amp and when trying to make it "open up" I always feel like a want to crank the presence, but that doesn't really work for this amp, since the presence pot reaches down quite low into the mid range, so raising it all the way still doesn't "open it up" like I'd want it to, but just adds high mid presence-graininess....

But if the amp works for a certain player or mix, it's awesome to have this unique voicing....doesn't sound like any other amp.

iPhone post, ignore the spelling:)
 
glassjaw7":1292esih said:
Hmm, it's strange because in clips, the Hagen comes across as sounding sort of fuzzy and messy while the VH4 always sounds very tight and glued together.
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I honestly do not think any youtube video will ever capture the magic of Diezel amps, I am sure you have played some of them, and once you have it is hard to explain to those who have not. IMHO!!
 
The Hagen is also an exceptionally nice looking amp IMO. I have changed the chrome corners for black ones though, that made it l look even much more "coherent"

@Peter: danke, ich schreibe dich nachher mal über die HP an, oder lieber hier über pn?
(Sorry everyone for the brief German OT)

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