Minimum Wage Hike in U.S.

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I'm not saying that the employee should get stock options.

But to pay your employee an extra buck an hour and saying that somehow this will cause the downfall of thousands of small businesses is just crazy.
 
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cloudnine":be83e said:
Kay.

Maybe you guys didn't notice, but I ALREADY SUBTRACTED HALF OF WHAT I SOLD FOR BILLS AND INVENTORY, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW SOMETIMES THE OWNER PAYS AS LITTLE AS 20% OF THE RETAIL PRICE OF THE SHOE.
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Again, what does that have to do with anything? You simply arent entitled to anything beyond what you get paid to do your job...

Go back and read Chubtones post, If you think that you are entitled to more after that, there isnt anything that anyone is going to say thats going to clear it up for you..
 
I don't bitch about my job personally, but then again, I don't get $6 an hour. Noone is entitled to more - but don't you think people have the right to a LIVING wage, and are entitled to a bottom-line pay that gives them some dignity?

Some people never got the chance to get out of low paying jobs. "Work hard" just doesn't cut it sometimes, and a lot of people who work low paying jobs work a lot harder than a lot of the people I know who make six figures.

Though, I am having a disagreement at my work about sick time that might be irking me on atm :)
 
One thing is for sure cloudnine, you'll fit in perfectly with the older miminum wage workers... bitching and bitching as if you know what you're talking about. I've had the pleasure of hearing some of these type of whahfests. They're absolutely hilarious.

Call it selfish, but I've never had a concern about minimum wage because I've never had a job where I was making it with the exception of when I was working in a machine shop at 14 years of age so I could save up for my first guitar.
 
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cloudnine":ca7ad said:
I'm not saying that the employee should get stock options.

But to pay your employee an extra buck an hour and saying that somehow this will cause the downfall of thousands of small businesses is just crazy.
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If you crunch some numbers, that increase is somewhere in the neighborhood of 17-20%, that makes a difference...

Own or run a business and lets see how fast you change your tune...
 
IMHO, the worst part of it is the inflation. The people that are going to be hurt the worst, are the ones making 9.00 an hour now.

Most jobs around here (I'm in a very rural area, with a very low cost of living) start around 7.50 (Even Taco Hell), and you work your ass off to make it to where you're making 9.00-12.00 an hour. When they raise the min wage, and as patterns follow, the starting wage will be 8.00-9.00 an hour the people that are making that now are going to be hurting.


I've always said that I wish I didn't need to sleep because I'd get SO much done. But, with the caveat that I want to be the ONLY one that functions that way. If everyone was like that, it would be the norm, and you wouldn't be able to get ahead.
 
I don't make minimum, Bob.

What makes you so qualified to "know what you're talking about"? You just said you haven't made minimum wage in probably 30 years, so I have more experience with that type of wage and what it can buy than you do. :)
 
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cloudnine":592a5 said:
I don't make minimum, Bob.

What makes you so qualified to "know what you're talking about"? You just said you haven't made minimum wage in probably 30 years, so I have more experience with that type of wage and what it can buy than you do. :)
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Why would one have to make minimum wage to understand? See how dumb you are?
 
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Bob Savage":3907a said:
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Why would one have to make minimum wage to understand? See how dumb you are?
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What makes you qualified to attack me and tell me I don't understand, then? Why don't I understand? I just stated that I probably understand better than you do what making that kind of money buys since you haven't worked for that wage in so long. Why does that somehow make me LESS qualified to talk about it than you?
 
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cloudnine":db9ea said:
I don't bitch about my job personally, but then again, I don't get $6 an hour. Noone is entitled to more - but don't you think people have the right to a LIVING wage, and are entitled to a bottom-line pay that gives them some dignity?

Some people never got the chance to get out of low paying jobs. "Work hard" just doesn't cut it sometimes, and a lot of people who work low paying jobs work a lot harder than a lot of the people I know who make six figures.

Though, I am having a disagreement at my work about sick time that might be irking me on atm :)
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Not concerned with Someone else;s living or dignity, thats one of the Perks about being a business owner. If one job doesnt cut it, then work 2, I did.

Again, who cares if the minimum wage guy works harder than the guy who makes 6 figures? thats yet another Perk of being a business owner...

People who run and own businesses do it for one reason and one reason only;$$$$$$
 
"One of the perks of being a business owner is that you don't have to worry about someone else's living or dignity."

Man.

I guess I just come from a completely different world, one where the business owner makes money and rewards the employee for making it with a reasonable wage.

Anyway, I'm off to said job job. Ta-ta 8)
 
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cloudnine":14914 said:
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What makes you qualified to attack me and tell me I don't understand, then? Why don't I understand? I just stated that I probably understand better than you do what making that kind of money buys since you haven't worked for that wage in so long. Why does that somehow make me LESS qualified to talk about it than you?
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Because Bob knows what things Cost Sean, what part of that dont you understand?

What it comes down to is that you want more but arent willing to do more for it, youre not alone
 
Well, since it doesn't look like anyone was reading the article I posted, here are the bullet points for you to wrestle over:
* If the minimum wage were increased nationally to $7.25:
o 14.9 million workers would receive a raise,
o 80% of those affected are adults age 20 or over, and
o 7.3 million children would see their parents income rise.
* Families with affected workers rely on those workers for over half of their earnings.
* 46% of all families with affected workers rely solely on the earnings from those workers.
* Some minimum wage workers remain in low-wage jobs for substantial periods.
* The best recent research on the economic impact of the minimum wage shows positive effects without job loss.
* Even the research that suggests a negative labor market effect shows only a minimal impact that is more than offset by the higher wage levels.
* The states that have adopted higher-than-federal minimum wages have seen low-wage workers’ incomes rise with no negative side-effects.
* Over 650 economists, including five Nobel Prize winners and six past presidents of the American Economics Association, recently signed a statement stating that federal and state minimum wage increases “can significantly improve the lives of low-income workers and their families, without the adverse effects that critics have claimedâ€
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cloudnine":e7007 said:
"One of the perks of being a business owner is that you don't have to worry about someone else's living or dignity."

Man.

I guess I just come from a completely different world, one where the business owner makes money and rewards the employee for making it with a reasonable wage.

Anyway, I'm off to said job job. Ta-ta 8)
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Where is that Completely Different? In the Real world, they are getting a reasonable wage. All too often, the employee feels that they deserve a bigger slice of the pie. The problem is that they just cant justify it
 
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cloudnine":95b75 said:
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What makes you qualified to attack me and tell me I don't understand, then? Why don't I understand? I just stated that I probably understand better than you do what making that kind of money buys since you haven't worked for that wage in so long. Why does that somehow make me LESS qualified to talk about it than you?
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Here's the problem, you're arguing about how difficult it is to live on minumum wage, but nobody is arguing with you about that, but somehow you cannot seem to figure that out. Unless you're just dense, which quite frankly I don't believe I can rule out, there are jobs out there where you can make a decent amount of money with minimal initial skills.

As far as how difficult it is to live on a low salary, sure, you're more qualified than I am to speak to that issue, but again, nobody is arguing about that.

There's a reason why I haven't made minumum wage since I was 14, kiddo. You might try to listen up.
 
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cloudnine":21e2b said:
Kay.

Maybe you guys didn't notice, but I ALREADY SUBTRACTED HALF OF WHAT I SOLD FOR BILLS AND INVENTORY, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW SOMETIMES THE OWNER PAYS AS LITTLE AS 20% OF THE RETAIL PRICE OF THE SHOE.
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!

Bills...........can you expand on that one maybe?
 
I really dont care if they do raise it or not...

I am a business owner... If they raise it then I will be out some money thats a given... And that sucks!!!

But I will agree you cant live off $6 an hour... Thats less than $200 a 40 hour week... I live in some of the poorest areas where the cost of living is dirt cheap and its would still be hard...

IF you only make $700 a month minus $350 for rent, $200 for just house bills, $150 for food and your broke... Thats NO money left for a vehicle or clothes or any other extras. And this sucks!!!!

The people that work are not the lazy ones... At least they are workin and contributing to society... The true lazy ones are the folks that dont have jobs and live off the gov... or sell drugs.
 
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cloudnine":5dbd3 said:
But to pay your employee an extra buck an hour and saying that somehow this will cause the downfall of thousands of small businesses is just crazy.
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Since my last post was deleted for some reason.

Sean wants to give the employees an extra buck an hour. I mean, come on man, it's only $1. Is it going to make you bankrupt to just give someone an extra dollar? Why are business owners so stingy? Can't they spare a dollar the greedy bastards?

I think I am going to give all 5 of my employees an extra dollar an hour! To those of us who have a clue what an extra dollar an hour means, that $1 an hour raise means a $10,400 hit to my overhead! Hello? What about a business with 25 employees? All of a sudden, with no increase in their skills or education, no increase in their DESIRE to work hard or get ahead, no increased benefits or work output for the business owner whatsoever, his payroll just went up $52,000 a year. That is straight out of his bottom line. The minimum wage worker gets screwed too because the price of everything will go up for them everywhere they shop. What happened to the it's just a dollar? :roll:
 
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Bob Savage":5a376 said:
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There are all kinds of complex arguments against it, but for the most part, I agree with you. You've got to be willing to GO GET IT. I was making $13 or so an hour in 1983 doing freaking construction work. Then again, I didn't just sit idle waiting for somebody to increase the minimum wage, I went for it and then I busted my ass to be one of the two top installers when I got there.
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i started my job off making minimum wage, and i had to work 50 hours a week to get by...it sucked

within a year i was up to earning considerably more...it wasn't easy, but i was able to do it

i wouldn't be able to pay my way thru college, have nice gear, and live a decent lifestyle the way i do if i were making minimum wage...but i rather than asking for more money, i worked to earn it

i understand there are people who just can't ahead, and i feel for them...however MOST people could very well make progress in their life, they just don't want it bad enough
 
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Chubtone":aef20 said:
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Since my last post was deleted for some reason.

Sean wants to give the employees an extra buck an hour. I mean, come on man, it's only $1. Is it going to make you bankrupt to just give someone an extra dollar? Why are business owners so stingy? Can't they spare a dollar the greedy bastards?

I think I am going to give all 5 of my employees an extra dollar an hour! To those of us who have a clue what an extra dollar an hour means, that $1 an hour raise means a $10,400 hit to my overhead! Hello? What about a business with 25 employees? All of a sudden, with no increase in their skills or education, no increase in their DESIRE to work hard or get ahead, no increased benefits or work output for the business owner whatsoever, his payroll just went up $52,000 a year. That is straight out of his bottom line. The minimum wage worker gets screwed too because the price of everything will go up for them everywhere they shop. What happened to the it's just a dollar? :roll:
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But ...but...but theyre entitled to a living wage and dignity!!!!
 
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