TheGreatGreen
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Looks like he has a few things to say about his tone and why it, like Mark's tone from the other Periphery Fractal video the other day, doesn't sound particularly flattering on its own.
PBGas
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But in a mix with 2 other guitars pumping out distortion and a bass player probably grinding out the low end, it probably fits perfectly.
saxxamafone
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Good guitar tone for a mix never sounds as good by itself.
Dialing tone for a mix vs solo basement tone wanking are 2 totally different things
Dialing tone for a mix vs solo basement tone wanking are 2 totally different things
Rex Rocker
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I don't think a tone that works in a mix has to sound bad on its own.
If you think that, then you're just not used to dialing in a tone that will work in a mix, IMO.
Not excusing those tones. Those tones just aren't awesome. Much like the rest of that band, IMO.
If you think that, then you're just not used to dialing in a tone that will work in a mix, IMO.
Not excusing those tones. Those tones just aren't awesome. Much like the rest of that band, IMO.
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GuitarBilly
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Yeah agree. PLENTY of great tones out there that sound good in a mix and own it's own. The 2 things are not mutually exclusive.
thegame
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So many of the isolated guitar tracks available on Youtube from older classic recordings proves otherwise. All of my favorites sound killer isolated and within the full band mix. I think the perspective of a full mix particularly benefits the perception of the quality of many modern digitally derived tones as that can mask the sometimes weird sounding digital artifacts that some notice.
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VESmedic
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This. Isn’t. True…..
I’m tired of this garbage ass myth. It’s a fucking myth. Good tone is good tone, period. I don’t know where this idea came from, but it’s just not fucking true and it’s exhausting hearing people regurgitate something they heard from someone else. It ain’t true. There are countless isolated guitar tracks on YouTube for those that still believe this myth. I have countless stem mixes of pretty damn big metal records in my possession, and I can assure you this is just complete nonsense.
Rex Rocker
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Yeah, honestly. If a tone that sounds good in a mix sounds bad by itself to you, then you really gotta work to train your ear for what's really a good tone.
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TheGreatGreen
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Another interesting thing about the video is that Misha said the guitar was specifically dulled in the highs because it was intended to be used at a live metal show and he didn't want to totally annihilate the audience's ears with a continuous blast of 10kHz at 110+db.
That's actually something that I think holds water, especially with how brutally fucking loud an indoor metal show can be. Say what you want about the tone being good or bad but whatever it sounds like to you, it seems like it was dialed intentionally to sound that way.
That's actually something that I think holds water, especially with how brutally fucking loud an indoor metal show can be. Say what you want about the tone being good or bad but whatever it sounds like to you, it seems like it was dialed intentionally to sound that way.
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VESmedic
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I agree with this totally as well. Is it darker than you might record with? 100 percent, but I appreciate misha for trying to do what many should be doing already, dialing in for the context. Definitely not arguing any of that at all. But, good tone is good tone, period, that’s all I’m sayin.
Bram576
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Yeah I get this for sure. But man, I just saw cannibal corpse a few months back, they had all the high end and it sounded fucking amazing.
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ErikT
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Other than Iommi, they have the best live metal tone imo.
Dale B
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I saw Periphery live back in 2013, and I couldn't hear the guitars AT ALL. Deftones came on after that, and I could hear Stephen clear as day. I hope that has changed for Periphery in the last 10 years. I liked a lot of the songs on Hail Stan.
BlueParfait
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Truth
While I could say that something that fits well in a mix doesn't necessarily have to sound good on its own, there are plenty of examples of the contrary.
I always point to a Steve Lukather isolated track for this.
novosibir
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If you read the signature of this frustrated, bitter pensioner who is filled with hatred and envy of my life without thinking, then some people might initially get the impression that I am a despicable person from whom it is better to keep a distance...
... in any case, that would correspond to the longing wish of this obviously psychopathic person and the real events only become clear once you have heard the response from the other side, my side, in addition to his subjective, falsified and drastically dramatized presentation.
In any case, I doubt the mental health of this senior citizen if events that happened 13 years ago and through which he suffered no disadvantage or damage are still burning in his soul so much today that he sends them out into the world through his signature, fanatically like a sex offender, with the sole aim of doing me the greatest possible harm and dragging my reputation through the mud.
Below I will examine the details and then ask you to use common sense to judge how mentally ill someone appears to be who, like a defiant preschool child, cries and denounces 13-year-old events that a normal-thinking person would only laugh at:
"Demanded wire transfer payment on the balance due to their Step-Daughter's German bank account in order to evade the financial authorities"
We used to have frequent financial transactions in the past, but here I had asked him once to transfer the money to another account this time and it was for another reason than he claimed.
This didn't put him at any disadvantage and it didn't cost him a single cent more.
Why is he crying about it now 13 years later and wanting the rest of the world to know about it?
Does he really think others will find this information interesting? How mentally ill is he really?
"and then sabotaged that very same product with circuit destroying epoxy resin"
The partially epoxy covering did not damage the circuit, but actually had a protective function for the components and is comparable to how H. A. Dumble completely covered his circuits with goop.
The reason for this at that time was so that his then best friend Mike Fortin, near whom this grandpa lives, would not again drill his curious eyes into my then very current circuit of my preamp and not copy another Larry circuit and then use it as his own development presented, just as Mike Fortin had done several times before.
I only had the 'top secret' area of my preamp cast with resin. See for yourself and judge how 'destructive' this was:
By the way, I recently heard from someone that Mike Fortin had promised him a certain amount of money and other benefits if he brought his Larry preamp to him for re-engineering after receiving it. This was no longer possible after my copy protection. Did that upset him?
"Sold tubes worth 440 EUR to a loyal customer but refused to ship them, which resulted in a 5 YEAR odyssey to get his money back"
This has NOT HIM affected, but someone else. I didn't send the tubes he ordered because the other person bad-mouthed me on another forum and so I transferred his money back to him.
A few years later, the other person complained that he hadn't gotten his money back.
I could no longer prove the repayment because I had Wirecard Bank at the time, which has since been liquidated and I no longer had access to past transactions online.
Just for the sake of peace, I transferred this 440 EUR to the other person again.
But if that was the only thing Grandpa found to criticize from my transactions over the past 13 years, then I'm really good and it would be a mark of quality for me.
Other manufacturers sometimes have 100 cases of discrepancies in payment transactions within 13 years - and if there was another case, Grandpa would know about it, because he has been spending a lot of his time for several years researching my life in CIA style and probably knows about it even my shoe size.
Again, how mentally ill does a person have to be to waste so much energy trying to portray mosquitoes as elephants on the Internet?
"Sold a fully rebuilt custom amp to another loyal customer that had design flaws and parts that made the amp break down 10 days after receivership, which resulted in the customer paying almost half a grand USD out of pocket to fix it"
Ouch, how to make a long story short? Ok I'll try my very best.
Grandpa had bought a Marshall amp in Hamburg on eBay Germany, which I rebuilt to a 3-channel amp already in 1994 and initially just wanted the amp to be checked and serviced by me, so the seller sent it to me.
When the amp was with me, grandpa had new modding ideas almost every day, which he discussed extensively with me and it ended with me rebuilding the amp from scratch based on Dino 939 and he even wanted the original Marshall/Dagnall trannys replaced with my Dino trannys.
That was a pilot project for me to build a unique piece, for which I had to design a lot of new things just for this single amp, since the conditions in a Marshall chassis are completely different than in a Dino chassis.
Preamp tubes are at the back and not at the front like on the Dino, input is on the right and not on the left like on the Dino, trannys are both on the right and not right/left like on the Dino, etc. etc.
When the amp was in his hands after the complete rebuild, one of the filter caps failed 10 days later - but for cost reasons it was previously agreed not to change the old electrolytics after they showed me good readings, but that doesn't mean a guarantee. Why is he still crying about it still today?
A little later, Grandpa complained that when the gain was fully turned up in the British or Scream channel, a slight cross-talk could be heard in the Clean channel. A phenomenon that didn't appear here for me, otherwise I wouldn't have sent the amp. It wasn't my ears either, because before sending it, other guitarists with good ears had also played the amp and found it perfect.
But no matter, I simply believed him and in order to save him the high costs of shipping the amp back to Germany and back to Canada, I made a special board with a relay and sent it to him with very detailed instructions for installation.
Anyone with even a little bit of mechanical skill could have installed the board himselv within an hour and only 4 cables had to be soldered on.
Grandpa however was apparently too fine for it and had it installed by a technician who probably saw on his face that he was being ripped off regarding the costs?
As a thank you for everything and for more than 200 emails back and forth I now can read his signature dripping with hatred and bitterness under each of his posts? But it's not just me - he's so malicious that he wants everyone in the world to read his subjective, falsified and distorted version of history.
But he forgot that I had deducted about 20% of the actual costs to be calculated with the costs for the new rebuild - just so that the costs for the rebuild together with the costs for the amp he has payed wouldn't be too close to the price of a real Dino.
How can you help such a frustrated, bitter and mentally lost person to see things clearly and realistically again? Unfortunately, he is already too old for psychotherapy to be promising - this is over by the age of 40 at the latest, after which you are resistant to therapy. Yes, I know that, because I also used to study psychology in the past.
He's just a pathetic and pitiable person, this thegame, and now I feel more sorry for him than I can be angry with him. He doesn't have a good life, otherwise he wouldn't be like that.
Finally, I would like to apologize to all of you in advance for the future.
I don't want to bother you with my posts, but I don't know in advance who will read a post from thegame for the first time and therefore read his signature for the first time, so unfortunately I have to quote his posts every time the game publishes a post with this signature in the future and explain it with this text – until perhaps enlightenment comes to his brain and he changes his signature.
I'm really sorry guys, but there's no other way.
Please understand and just scroll over this post if you already know it.
Thanks!
Larry
saxxamafone
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Ok i'll pedal back here.
To us who have been around for years and recorded for years... I agree.
To me now... good tone sounds great by itself and slots right into a mix.
I'm probably talking more to the 15yrs who crank the bass on an amp because they're trying to get that sound of a guitar AND bass guitar with just their guitar amp...then wonder why they disappear in the mix.
When they dial the bass back they think their awesome tone has lost all it's balls etc.
And this isn't you guys so i accept the 'you're fucking wrong' in this case ??
BlueParfait
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Yeah but we think those kids have bad tone by themselves too ?
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VESmedic
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Hahah fair enough! In that case, I agree 100 percent as well. Unfortunately in my opinion, we’ve gone wayyyyy too far the other way, and it’s all “MORE MIDZ BROOZZ!” On everything…which totally sucks in my opinion.
BlueParfait
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IMO it's not even the right mids they should emphasize either
And they still overemphasize it regardless
I have my 6505+'s mid set at 2-3 (not 2-3 o'clock, 2-3 on the label) and that thing still has plenty of mids playing through Greenbacks, or with Greenback IRs
Meanwhile the "modern" metal guys are using 6505s (even more low mids) set up at 666 with a tubescreamer in the front, playing through V30s.
Bruh.
Bram576
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Woohoo another person here gets it.