TheGreatGreen
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Looks like he has a few things to say about his tone and why it, like Mark's tone from the other Periphery Fractal video the other day, doesn't sound particularly flattering on its own.
Yeah agree. PLENTY of great tones out there that sound good in a mix and own it's own. The 2 things are not mutually exclusive.I don't think a tone that works in a mix has to sound bad on its own.
If you think that, then you're just not used to dialing in a tone that will work in a mix, IMO.
So many of the isolated guitar tracks available on Youtube from older classic recordings proves otherwise. All of my favorites sound killer isolated and within the full band mix. I think the perspective of a full mix particularly benefits the perception of the quality of many modern digitally derived tones as that can mask the sometimes weird sounding digital artifacts that some notice.Good guitar tone for a mix never sounds as good by itself.
Good guitar tone for a mix never sounds as good by itself.
Dialing tone for a mix vs solo basement tone wanking are 2 totally different things
Another interesting thing about the video is that Misha said the guitar was specifically dulled in the highs because it was intended to be used at a live metal show and he didn't want to totally annihilate the audience's ears with a continuous blast of 10kHz at 110+db.
That's actually something that I think holds water, especially with how brutally fucking loud an indoor metal show can be. Say what you want about the tone being good or bad but whatever it sounds like to you, it seems like it was dialed intentionally to sound that way.
Yeah I get this for sure. But man, I just saw cannibal corpse a few months back, they had all the high end and it sounded fucking amazing.Another interesting thing about the video is that Misha said the guitar was specifically dulled in the highs because it was intended to be used at a live metal show and he didn't want to totally annihilate the audience's ears with a continuous blast of 10kHz at 110+db.
That's actually something that I think holds water, especially with how brutally fucking loud an indoor metal show can be. Say what you want about the tone being good or bad but whatever it sounds like to you, it seems like it was dialed intentionally to sound that way.
Other than Iommi, they have the best live metal tone imo.Yeah I get this for sure. But man, I just saw cannibal corpse a few months back, they had all the high end and it sounded fucking amazing.
TruthThis. Isn’t. True…..
I’m tired of this garbage ass myth. It’s a fucking myth. Good tone is good tone, period. I don’t know where this idea came from, but it’s just not fucking true and it’s exhausting hearing people regurgitate something they heard from someone else. It ain’t true. There are countless isolated guitar tracks on YouTube for those that still believe this myth. I have countless stem mixes of pretty damn big metal records in my possession, and I can assure you this is just complete nonsense.
If you read the signature of this frustrated, bitter pensioner who is filled with hatred and envy of my life without thinking, then some people might initially get the impression that I am a despicable person from whom it is better to keep a distance...Amp makers that:
- Demanded wire transfer payment on the balance due to their Step-Daughter's German bank account in order to evade the financial authorities and then sabotaged that very same product with circuit destroying epoxy resin.
- Sold tubes worth 440 EUR to a loyal customer but refused to ship them, which resulted in a 5 YEAR odyssey to get his money back.
- Sold a fully rebuilt custom amp to another loyal customer that had design flaws and parts that made the amp break down 10 days after receivership, which resulted in the customer paying almost half a grand USD out of pocket to fix it.
All of the above are the actions of @novosibir aka Helmut "Larry" Grohmann of Larry amplification. Do you really want someone only 7 years younger than Joe Biden and with a self admitted malignant narcissism disorder (like D*n*ld Tr*mp) building your amp? Buyer beware!
So many of the isolated guitar tracks available on Youtube from older classic recordings proves otherwise. All of my favorites sound killer isolated and within the full band mix. I think the perspective of a full mix particularly benefits the perception of the quality of many modern digitally derived tones as that can mask the sometimes weird sounding digital artifacts that some notice.
This. Isn’t. True…..
I’m tired of this garbage ass myth. It’s a fucking myth. Good tone is good tone, period. I don’t know where this idea came from, but it’s just not fucking true and it’s exhausting hearing people regurgitate something they heard from someone else. It ain’t true. There are countless isolated guitar tracks on YouTube for those that still believe this myth. I have countless stem mixes of pretty damn big metal records in my possession, and I can assure you this is just complete nonsense.
Ok i'll pedal back here.
To us who have been around for years and recorded for years... I agree.
To me now... good tone sounds great by itself and slots right into a mix.
I'm probably talking more to the 15yrs who crank the bass on an amp because they're trying to get that sound of a guitar AND bass guitar with just their guitar amp...then wonder why they disappear in the mix.
When they dial the bass back they think their awesome tone has lost all it's balls etc.
And this isn't you guys so i accept the 'you're fucking wrong' in this case![]()
Ok i'll pedal back here.
To us who have been around for years and recorded for years... I agree.
To me now... good tone sounds great by itself and slots right into a mix.
I'm probably talking more to the 15yrs who crank the bass on an amp because they're trying to get that sound of a guitar AND bass guitar with just their guitar amp...then wonder why they disappear in the mix.
When they dial the bass back they think their awesome tone has lost all it's balls etc.
And this isn't you guys so i accept the 'you're fucking wrong' in this case![]()
IMO it's not even the right mids they should emphasize eitherHahah fair enough! In that case, I agree 100 percent as well. Unfortunately in my opinion, we’ve gone wayyyyy too far the other way, and it’s all “MORE MIDZ BROOZZ!” On everything…which totally sucks in my opinion.
Woohoo another person here gets it.IMO it's not even the right mids they should emphasize either
And they still overemphasize it regardless
I have my 6505+'s mid set at 2-3 (not 2-3 o'clock, 2-3 on the label) and that thing still has plenty of mids playing through Greenbacks, or with Greenback IRs
Meanwhile the "modern" metal guys are using 6505s (even more low mids) set up at 666 with a tubescreamer in the front, playing through V30s.
Bruh.