FourT6and2
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The Molecular is a "Cameron" Atomica. I say "Cameron" because they were designed and built by Friedman under the Cameron brand name.
The Molecular is a "Cameron" Atomica. I say "Cameron" because they were designed and built by Friedman under the Cameron brand name.
Bram576
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What are the actual Cameron clones out there? I know there’s a lot of hype out there; but I have a hard time believing Shea and Jeremy’s amps don’t hang with them. Feel like a lot of these amps just have the unobtanium factor.
FourT6and2
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I had one with an upside-down PCB. Some components were mounted on the "top" but most of them were on the underside. They were built/assembled by a third-party contractor company called Barrang or Berrang or something like that. I think they went out of business. Mine had a number of errors like swtiches/pots wired backward and cold solder joints.
FourT6and2
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What are you asking? Who makes clones of Cameron amps? I don't think there are any 1:1 clones of the CCV sold as production amps. You might find a DIYer who will build you one though. I've built a number of Cameron-inspired amps. Not exact clones, just my take on what Cameron and Fortin, et al, were doing. My main amp is a DIY I did that combines some elements of a Friedman/Cameron Atomica and Fortin Meshuggah (which is also a take on the Cameron Jose). At one point Cameron asked if I was interested in ghost-building a new run of CCVs but I didn't want to get involved. I think this was in December of 2018.
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RaceU4her
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its more about the feel with mine, i can get a few of my amps to sound very close, especially with this chiron pedal which kind of "camerons" everything, but none of them have that addictive iic+ kind of bounce that my mig does.
RaceU4her
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im curious about that Myasnikov CCV preamp, surprised no word on that thing
technomancer
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Yeah Berrang (sp?) was fucking stuff up and went under and they couldn't find another company to build them.
Good to know there were actually components under the board. I still maintain the board redesign was a red herring to try to keep people from bitching about the failure to deliver amps and kick the blame off the "team". The thing is pretty dead simple with only two relays: one to switch between two completely separate channels and one to switch between the dual masters on the "lead" channel. This is not rocket science. The Friedman BE amps are more complicated...
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LP Freak
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Lol so since you almost sent him an amp, that makes you a victim
Bram576
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Yeah that exactly. One to one Cameron clones. I’d be curious to hear your amps!
RedPlated
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This is what I remember as well. Some components on top but a majority underneath.
I haven’t had the chassis out of that amp for years. I think I only took it out to check bias or something. I never tried to reverse engineer it. In fact I may have never taken the chassis out of this one. I had another Brad CCV before this one. The led was wired backwards for clean/ dirty. That’s why I pulled it out.
The Ceriatone King Kong is supposed to be a CCV clone. I have heard that it’s not accurate, though. There were gut shots of one posted here a little while back. In a for sale ad.
I never really cared, but now I kind of want to see an actual CCV schematic just to know. I agree it won’t be anything earth shattering. It’s just a high gain Jose. But…with any of these amps, interstage signal and frequency control makes all the difference in feel and response. That’s where the secrets will be. As well as the voltages and filtering.
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DeathbyButterslax
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It does remind me of the Hellion this clip as well, though a little smoother. I like the aggressiveness of the hellion, and the ability to make it tighter, so I think I prefer your builds to it. Affirms my thoughts on the high quality of your builds 
For those still on the fence, get a Hellion. For real
For those still on the fence, get a Hellion. For real
FourT6and2
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It's interesting that the King Kong is the only HRP amp/kit Ceriatone hasn't published a layout for...
There are a few schematics out there. Here's what I have. On the second one, take note of the value changes written in. Instead of 2k7/0.68uF cathodes, they should be 3k/.1uF. The first one isn't verified. Created by someone trying to reverse engineer a CCV. The second one is purportedly from Barrang (sp?).
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RedPlated
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Wow. Those are great. Thanks for posting.
They all have slight differences. But close for sure. The .1uF PI couplers is surprising to me. Pretty large for a high gain Jose circuit.
They all have slight differences. But close for sure. The .1uF PI couplers is surprising to me. Pretty large for a high gain Jose circuit.
glpg80
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That sounds correct though as that’s a Bogner trick but for the pole to be so low in frequency the wiring has to be perfect or else it will motorboat. I personally hate them as it makes amps sound like they have natural reverb built into them and sunken into guitar cabinets. Personally I’ve never seen a need to go lower than 047. I prefer stock Marshall 02
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harddriver
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You can also lower your bias splitter values to get the R/C constant back as if it was .022 PI couplers with 220K bias splitters. I think 120-150K with .1uf PI couplers get the frequency back to being close to 220K/.022uf frequencies.
I had .1uf PI couplers with 82K bias splitters in a Marshall amp that was running 6550 tubes and I ended up using .047uf to tighten the low end to where I wanted it. The .1uf PI caps even with the 82K bias splitters were even a bit woofy compared to the 82K/,047uf caps as this amp was more a tight metal machine.
novosibir
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If you read the signature of this frustrated, bitter pensioner who is filled with hatred and envy of my life without thinking, then some people might initially get the impression that I am a despicable person from whom it is better to keep a distance...
... in any case, that would correspond to the longing wish of this obviously psychopathic person and the real events only become clear once you have heard the response from the other side, my side, in addition to his subjective, falsified and drastically dramatized presentation.
In any case, I doubt the mental health of this senior citizen if events that happened 13 years ago and through which he suffered no disadvantage or damage are still burning in his soul so much today that he sends them out into the world through his signature, fanatically like a sex offender, with the sole aim of doing me the greatest possible harm and dragging my reputation through the mud.
Below I will examine the details and then ask you to use common sense to judge how mentally ill someone appears to be who, like a defiant preschool child, cries and denounces 13-year-old events that a normal-thinking person would only laugh at:
"Demanded wire transfer payment on the balance due to their Step-Daughter's German bank account in order to evade the financial authorities"
We used to have frequent financial transactions in the past, but here I had asked him once to transfer the money to another account this time and it was for another reason than he claimed.
This didn't put him at any disadvantage and it didn't cost him a single cent more.
Why is he crying about it now 13 years later and wanting the rest of the world to know about it?
Does he really think others will find this information interesting? How mentally ill is he really?
"and then sabotaged that very same product with circuit destroying epoxy resin"
The partially epoxy covering did not damage the circuit, but actually had a protective function for the components and is comparable to how H. A. Dumble completely covered his circuits with goop.
The reason for this at that time was so that his then best friend Mike Fortin, near whom this grandpa lives, would not again drill his curious eyes into my then very current circuit of my preamp and not copy another Larry circuit and then use it as his own development presented, just as Mike Fortin had done several times before.
I only had the 'top secret' area of my preamp cast with resin. See for yourself and judge how 'destructive' this was:
By the way, I recently heard from someone that Mike Fortin had promised him a certain amount of money and other benefits if he brought his Larry preamp to him for re-engineering after receiving it. This was no longer possible after my copy protection. Did that upset him?
"Sold tubes worth 440 EUR to a loyal customer but refused to ship them, which resulted in a 5 YEAR odyssey to get his money back"
This has NOT HIM affected, but someone else. I didn't send the tubes he ordered because the other person bad-mouthed me on another forum and so I transferred his money back to him.
A few years later, the other person complained that he hadn't gotten his money back.
I could no longer prove the repayment because I had Wirecard Bank at the time, which has since been liquidated and I no longer had access to past transactions online.
Just for the sake of peace, I transferred this 440 EUR to the other person again.
But if that was the only thing Grandpa found to criticize from my transactions over the past 13 years, then I'm really good and it would be a mark of quality for me.
Other manufacturers sometimes have 100 cases of discrepancies in payment transactions within 13 years - and if there was another case, Grandpa would know about it, because he has been spending a lot of his time for several years researching my life in CIA style and probably knows about it even my shoe size.
Again, how mentally ill does a person have to be to waste so much energy trying to portray mosquitoes as elephants on the Internet?
"Sold a fully rebuilt custom amp to another loyal customer that had design flaws and parts that made the amp break down 10 days after receivership, which resulted in the customer paying almost half a grand USD out of pocket to fix it"
Ouch, how to make a long story short? Ok I'll try my very best.
Grandpa had bought a Marshall amp in Hamburg on eBay Germany, which I rebuilt to a 3-channel amp already in 1994 and initially just wanted the amp to be checked and serviced by me, so the seller sent it to me.
When the amp was with me, grandpa had new modding ideas almost every day, which he discussed extensively with me and it ended with me rebuilding the amp from scratch based on Dino 939 and he even wanted the original Marshall/Dagnall trannys replaced with my Dino trannys.
That was a pilot project for me to build a unique piece, for which I had to design a lot of new things just for this single amp, since the conditions in a Marshall chassis are completely different than in a Dino chassis.
Preamp tubes are at the back and not at the front like on the Dino, input is on the right and not on the left like on the Dino, trannys are both on the right and not right/left like on the Dino, etc. etc.
When the amp was in his hands after the complete rebuild, one of the filter caps failed 10 days later - but for cost reasons it was previously agreed not to change the old electrolytics after they showed me good readings, but that doesn't mean a guarantee. Why is he still crying about it still today?
A little later, Grandpa complained that when the gain was fully turned up in the British or Scream channel, a slight cross-talk could be heard in the Clean channel. A phenomenon that didn't appear here for me, otherwise I wouldn't have sent the amp. It wasn't my ears either, because before sending it, other guitarists with good ears had also played the amp and found it perfect.
But no matter, I simply believed him and in order to save him the high costs of shipping the amp back to Germany and back to Canada, I made a special board with a relay and sent it to him with very detailed instructions for installation.
Anyone with even a little bit of mechanical skill could have installed the board himselv within an hour and only 4 cables had to be soldered on.
Grandpa however was apparently too fine for it and had it installed by a technician who probably saw on his face that he was being ripped off regarding the costs?
As a thank you for everything and for more than 200 emails back and forth I now can read his signature dripping with hatred and bitterness under each of his posts? But it's not just me - he's so malicious that he wants everyone in the world to read his subjective, falsified and distorted version of history.
But he forgot that I had deducted about 20% of the actual costs to be calculated with the costs for the new rebuild - just so that the costs for the rebuild together with the costs for the amp he has payed wouldn't be too close to the price of a real Dino.
How can you help such a frustrated, bitter and mentally lost person to see things clearly and realistically again? Unfortunately, he is already too old for psychotherapy to be promising - this is over by the age of 40 at the latest, after which you are resistant to therapy. Yes, I know that, because I also used to study psychology in the past.
He's just a pathetic and pitiable person, this thegame, and now I feel more sorry for him than I can be angry with him. He doesn't have a good life, otherwise he wouldn't be like that.
Finally, I would like to apologize to all of you in advance for the future.
I don't want to bother you with my posts, but I don't know in advance who will read a post from thegame for the first time and therefore read his signature for the first time, so unfortunately I have to quote his posts every time the game publishes a post with this signature in the future and explain it with this text – until perhaps enlightenment comes to his brain and he changes his signature.
I'm really sorry guys, but there's no other way.
Please understand and just scroll over this post if you already know it.
Thanks!
Larry
FourT6and2
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Jesus... it's his signature dude. Are you going to post this tirade in every thread he contributes to?
7704A
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Techdeth
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I have one on mine . It’s ok