The IIC+reissue goes live Dec. 3rd. $3599

It will have the sound, but people will complain because it doesn't have modern features which is why Boogie kept on with latter Marks..

Most will be finger fucked to death but will never leave the bedroom and never play past .5 watts.. LOL
 
Faded Abyss said:
Wait… this might affect my choice to get the amp, if the sound I have in my head is the ++. I need to look into that.

Does anyone have anything I can reference?
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C+ = Toto, Journey, Prince, all Mesa demos.
C++ = Metallica, Stryper..?

I know Dream Theater is C+, but have you seen that guy's pedalboard? It's as pure C+ as real tits in Orange County.
 
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i always thought the perfect mesa for me would be my mark III with:

the independent cleans and modes from the IV

a classic rock sound like this on rhythm II


and a IIC+|+ toggle switch so i don't FOMO


so i suppose the next best thing fir me would be the VII.
 
mentoneman said:
i always thought the perfect mesa for me would be my mark III with:

the independent cleans and modes from the IV

a classic rock sound like this on rhythm II


and a IIC+|+ toggle switch so i don't FOMO


so i suppose the next best thing fir me would be the VII.
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R2 on the MkIII is super underrated in terms of a killer rock gain structure like in this vid. Also the rhythm channel on a IIC++ can get you there, at a lot more expense.

Both will destroy a VII outside of the bedroom.
 
GJgo said:
R2 on the MkIII is super underrated in terms of a killer rock gain structure like in this vid. Also the rhythm channel on a IIC++ can get you there, at a lot more expense.

Both will destroy a VII outside of the bedroom.
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MIII R2 has always been a pedal platform first, and a lead channel thickener second in my experience.

i’ve been experimenting with a Friedman BE-OD Deluxe pedal on R2 and it’s great being able to add two more very useable bluesy-marshall crunch “modes” to the III.
 
There are a few models of the IIC+, and within those there are variations. Additionally, many IIC were converted to IIC+/++ (some switchable some not). Some of the units are heads. Some are combos. Some were combos and turned into heads. Hell, some IIB's even had a type of conversion done where a IIB was made into a IIC+ by having a IIC/+ board installed to replace the IIB board.

There are two main preamp boards as well.

Which one of the amps is the new IIC+ to resemble? I was told it was cloned from the "specimen" in the Mesa factory. If you have an OG and you like it, you may not like the new one OR you may not like a different OG model compared to what you're used to.

There's so many variables that it's easy to see why there's confusion and why the new one will be different! If you have never played an original, at volume, side by side with one of the "modes" of a new amp, then you'll never truly understand the difference. You can't go by a youtube clip. You can't go off of the album which often has multiple layers/tracks/eqs/compression/etc. You need to be in front of one of these, at volume and there's a feel thing that isn't replicated in a mode of a modern amp, or in a digital simulation. You can get a lot of the tone, but the special sauce isn't included.

Back to the topic of the reissue vs the OG, I've seen a few pics of the innards of the IIC+ reissue. It's definitely a modern take on the original circuit. Look at the specs and you can see the weight is different as well. Since the components are different, it's going to be different. There's no way around that. Plus the old ones are 40 years old! Aside from caps, most of those components will be the same as they were back then. Will that change the sound? Who knows? Maybe the sound will be there but the feel won't be.

I preordered one when I heard they were limited production but then I've been told by 2 dealers and Mesa that there's no intention of stopping production.

I'm not sure where I will stand on it/if I'll like it until I try it.
 
NotThatBrightCap said:
There are a few models of the IIC+, and within those there are variations. Additionally, many IIC were converted to IIC+/++ (some switchable some not). Some of the units are heads. Some are combos. Some were combos and turned into heads. Hell, some IIB's even had a type of conversion done where a IIB was made into a IIC+ by having a IIC/+ board installed to replace the IIB board.

There are two main preamp boards as well.

Which one of the amps is the new IIC+ to resemble? I was told it was cloned from the "specimen" in the Mesa factory. If you have an OG and you like it, you may not like the new one OR you may not like a different OG model compared to what you're used to.

There's so many variables that it's easy to see why there's confusion and why the new one will be different! If you have never played an original, at volume, side by side with one of the "modes" of a new amp, then you'll never truly understand the difference. You can't go by a youtube clip. You can't go off of the album which often has multiple layers/tracks/eqs/compression/etc. You need to be in front of one of these, at volume and there's a feel thing that isn't replicated in a mode of a modern amp, or in a digital simulation. You can get a lot of the tone, but the special sauce isn't included.

Back to the topic of the reissue vs the OG, I've seen a few pics of the innards of the IIC+ reissue. It's definitely a modern take on the original circuit. Look at the specs and you can see the weight is different as well. Since the components are different, it's going to be different. There's no way around that. Plus the old ones are 40 years old! Aside from caps, most of those components will be the same as they were back then. Will that change the sound? Who knows? Maybe the sound will be there but the feel won't be.

I preordered one when I heard they were limited production but then I've been told by 2 dealers and Mesa that there's no intention of stopping production.

I'm not sure where I will stand on it/if I'll like it until I try it.
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They all have 'that C+ tone' to a large degree, and the feel is the same with all models. Only differences are wattage of course, and fast/slow tracking differences.
I've had an SRG, HRG and HRG ++, and 2B convert to C+ Coliseum.
They were all very similar in tone/feel.
Whoever gets one, if they've owned a C+ in the past will be able to tell right away if they nailed it. The JP2C is a cool amp, but still noticeably different than a real HRG C+.
 
Racerxrated said:
They all have 'that C+ tone' to a large degree, and the feel is the same with all models. Only differences are wattage of course, and fast/slow tracking differences.
I've had an SRG, HRG and HRG ++, and 2B convert to C+ Coliseum.
They were all very similar in tone/feel.
Whoever gets one, if they've owned a C+ in the past will be able to tell right away if they nailed it. The JP2C is a cool amp, but still noticeably different than a real HRG C+.
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They have that flavor but the thing is a coliseum sounds different than a SRG/DRG/HRG. Those extra full size bottles change that dynamic. I laughed when I had the chance to buy one back in the day for around 3k. Now you can't get a coliseum for under 10/12k. I should've bought. I'm not a collector though, I use my gear. I actually feel a bit of sadness that I don't take my iic+ out as it is. I use something modern and less valuable.

Depending on which model (SRG/DRG/HRG) which preamp board, the reissue may sound different than what people expect. On top of that, some people may find the VII or V or JP2C to be more accurate to their ears.

I'm not holding out much hope that it'll be a spot on reissue...how do you replicate 40 year old components? And if you do, when they age, how different will they be in 1, 2, 5, 10 years?
 
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