Devin
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I wish that I knew that when my son was so hard to wean.
He had a blend of Scandinavian, Japanese, and Cherokee
A favored blend to be sure; many connoisseurs celebrate it
A favored blend to be sure; many connoisseurs celebrate it
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harddriver
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To be fair the American worker did not agree to losing their jobs to slave labor in China and they have every right to complain how it affected their lives since the USA was a manufacturing giant which is why the allies won WWII and became a superpower. No manufacturing base no superpower status.....
The Oligarchs, Corporations and TPTB decided to move manufacturing to China, Mexico and South America since there was no EPA, reduced wages, slave labor, child labor and no medical or pension/retirement benefit packages thus increasing the corporations profits and the Chinese weren't going to turn down the opportunity to acquire technology. If you remember NAFTA in the 1990's was the beginning of the end of US manufacturing and it has taken decades to where we are now regarding lack of an industrial base to the point of not even manufacturing our own medicines.
I try to buy USA made every time I purchase anything because the old adage from the 1990's that was on bumper stickers at the time proved out to be true, Buy American because the job you save may be your own. That doesn't mean other regions can't or don't make quality products.
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Zado
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Of fucking course it matters, I've never experienced Indo or Korean guitars being impeccable. That's why I'm pissed some brands (Schecter and ESP, and someone else) are selling 2k+ indos.
rsm
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I also try to buy American when I can, but we don't make everything anymore. If the only option is MIM, MIJ, MIC, etc., the choice is to buy it from where it's made or not at all.
I'm having a similar "dilemma" with Ibanez. Ibanez doesn't make what I want; only Ibanez artists have access to the Ibanez Custom Shop, so I can't even order what I want. Chinese factories are making what I want, so if I want it, the only choice is Chinese made or nothing. I'd rather have an Ibanez Custom Shop or Prestige MIJ, but neither is available to me.
I'm having a similar "dilemma" with Ibanez. Ibanez doesn't make what I want; only Ibanez artists have access to the Ibanez Custom Shop, so I can't even order what I want. Chinese factories are making what I want, so if I want it, the only choice is Chinese made or nothing. I'd rather have an Ibanez Custom Shop or Prestige MIJ, but neither is available to me.
Perko
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It's always interesting watching Americans get super worked up over this, the two legacy companies over there have been taken over by the investor mentality so badly that I haven't played a modern Fender that wasn't utterly bland and uninspiring, or a Gibson without some minor or major QA issue in 20 years, (which may play into the rumour that Gibson export trash to Australia).
Maybe "it matters" depending on what the question is, but the guitar manufacturing world isn't centred around Fender and Gibson any more, if I do buy any more guitars they'll either be Japanese or a local luthier.
Maybe "it matters" depending on what the question is, but the guitar manufacturing world isn't centred around Fender and Gibson any more, if I do buy any more guitars they'll either be Japanese or a local luthier.
rsm
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well that's because most Americans care about America and Americans; you may have heard about our most recent election.
is your home country in the EU by any chance?
rsm
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Perko
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No, Australia, your country's most loyal lapdog. There are plenty of guitarists here that turn their nose up to Japanese and European brands as well, which makes less sense than Americans having that preference other than artist nostalgia.well that's because most Americans care about America and Americans; you may have heard about our most recent election.
is your home country in the EU by any chance?
PRS is talking about instrument quality, if you're talking specifically to that, then it doesn't matter, because US brands haven't had an objective edge since the 70s, if you're talking about economics then yeah, obviously it does. I feel the same way as an earlier poster about Chinese guitars, but then again the amount of crap we have to buy that comes from China in a year vs a guitar makes that protest feel a little empty.
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VonBonfire
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I agree with this 100 percent kimg. Especially cheap and good. Plays easy, sounds good, sits on a strap nice=all win for selection. USA is great but China, Korea, Indonesia, yes. But Japan is my favorite. Even my 2nd guitarist traded for an elitist Casino this weekend. Now it's Japanese guitars band.
rsm
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At least you're not in the EU. That's a big plus IMO.
I think the win for most obedient US lapdog is Germany, for the last 3 years if not longer.
I prefer to buy American, but that's not always possible or practical. My fav guitars are US made EBMM (Kaizen and Majesty); my favorite hardtail guitar are Ibanez Prestige MIJ (PS10), and my fav FR guitars are Jackson X series Rhoads, made in Indonesia which are great workhorse guitars, no need to spend more for MIJ or MIUSA.
Cheers!
NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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This puzzles me the most tbh, and unfortunately PRS puts seagulls on all their fingerboards as they are no where near the level of offense as Gibson.
These are all solid top guitars below (prices as new) and not that I care for fancy tops as I would rather play hard than worry about scratching, but these seem to be rule and not the exception for these manufactures...
<$1k Indonesian <$1k Korean $3,000 Gibson
That said, I love my Gibsons.
These are all solid top guitars below (prices as new) and not that I care for fancy tops as I would rather play hard than worry about scratching, but these seem to be rule and not the exception for these manufactures...
<$1k Indonesian <$1k Korean $3,000 Gibson
That said, I love my Gibsons.
rsm
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To me, fancy tops are interesting to see but I have little interest in a guitar because it has a fancy top. Many of these tops are thin veneers, some are even printed graphics I've heard. Just look at the prices for the fancy wood tops in the Kiesel builder, for example...some do look stunning, but $500+ not for me, but I might spend $600 on the chameleon blue-to-purple paint. Solid purple with gloss finish, and painted gloss neck in the same color is just fine...I've built many in the builder, never bought one yet...probably get a Monson instead.
Solid purple with gloss finish, and painted gloss neck in the same color is just fine...I've built many in the builder, never bought one yet...probably get a Monson instead.
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NowYou'rePlayingWithPower
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To me, fancy tops are interesting to see but I have little interest in a guitar because it has a fancy top. Many of these tops are thin veneers, some are even printed graphics I've heard. Just look at the prices for the fancy wood tops in the Kiesel builder, for example...some do look stunning, but $500+ not for me, but I might spend $600 on the chameleon blue-to-purple paint.
True, some are thin veneers, and photoflame used to be a thing out of Japan, not entirely sure anymore.
The ones above though are 1/4-3/4" according to specs.
Not a big fan, either. I actually have a ton (a few hundred, maybe even 1k+)of bookmatched tops from trees on our property that I will never use.
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VonBonfire
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You're supposed to tell me my new purple ltd viper is 1/2" thick quilt, lol
VH1R2
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hellzington
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I just bought a brand new PRS NF3 SE a few weeks ago. They’re on sale right now for under $700 and I wanted to try the Deep Dish pickups. This is the the first non-American guitar I’ve bought in forever. Also the first sub $1000 guitar I’ve bought in forever.
This guitar is so good, I’m going to make a YouTube video for my channel about it. It completely caught me by surprise. It played great right out of the box. The pickups are awesome; somewhere between a single coil and a P-90, with no noise. The neck is satin on the back and very comfortable to play. The scarf joint is well done and totally smooth. It stays in tune better than my Gibsons.
The only cons I have found are that the fret ends are a little rough (guess it’s not rolled like other guitars I am used to) and the tone pot is a little scratchy at low settings. That’s it. Otherwise you could never tell it was not made in Maryland.
It’s so good I’m considering buying a second while they’re on sale. I gotta tell you, as a guy who ownes and loves a lot of expensive custom shop guitars, I’m blown away.
This guitar is so good, I’m going to make a YouTube video for my channel about it. It completely caught me by surprise. It played great right out of the box. The pickups are awesome; somewhere between a single coil and a P-90, with no noise. The neck is satin on the back and very comfortable to play. The scarf joint is well done and totally smooth. It stays in tune better than my Gibsons.
The only cons I have found are that the fret ends are a little rough (guess it’s not rolled like other guitars I am used to) and the tone pot is a little scratchy at low settings. That’s it. Otherwise you could never tell it was not made in Maryland.
It’s so good I’m considering buying a second while they’re on sale. I gotta tell you, as a guy who ownes and loves a lot of expensive custom shop guitars, I’m blown away.
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JackBootedThug
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I was shocked when I was setting up my son’s friends guitar. Cheapest entry Jackson made. It’s a great little guitar. It had issues but the bones were good. Existing electronics are fine but if you rewired it with high quality components and good pickups it would be pretty damn sweet. So I honestly think because of cnc manufacturing country of origin isn’t as important anymore. Hell look at Eastman. USA money for made in China. And apparently they have lots of fanbois..
Devin
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What’s the DC with the floyd? Fuckin thing rules