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It wasn’t a perma-ban, he just won’t go back because, as usual with TGP, it was bullshit. Actually, it was Rig-Talk’s on Donnie B. at the basis of it, on his 7th or 8th account kept trolling Cliff, so Cliff noted that the mods weren’t doing their job as it was very clearly Donnie with an alt username and that was enough to temp ban him.

There’s a growing list of people who either owned a Fractal unit at one point or never even want to own one but for some reason have taken issue with FAS/Cliff. There’s 3-4 over at TGP that either got told to read the fuckin’ manual or they took some issue with one aspect of a Fractal unit and now it’s their life’s work to shit talk the company (even when the shit talking holds now water, as evident by this thread). One dude over at TGP is all butthurt because the scroll wheel didn’t do something he expected it to. It hurt his pride that much that he’ll go in *every* Fractal thread and talk shit.

And these are adult dudes. :LOL:
Wow. I pretty much only frequent the emporiums at TGP. Sometimes I’ve seen Cliff reply in ways that might seem a little clipped, but he’s the owner and brains behind the company actively engaging with people on forums and answering their questions, so I think it’s understandable if he doesn’t polish everything.
 
I’m curious how your brain works-

You made a claim that I refuted with evidence….how do *I* get butthurt in the process of that? Real question.
when you start your response with a "real question" you have to ask another "Real question"?

Let's keep it simple, since we can't use crayons here: your stunning and brave defense of Fractal forum content policy, of course.

so you're all about proving Fractal allows discussions of competitors products, just not too much discussion? 2 months and 8 pages the limit?

real question.
 
when you start your response with a "real question" you have to ask another "Real question"?

Let's keep it simple, since we can't use crayons here: your stunning and brave defense of Fractal forum content policy, of course.

so you're all about proving Fractal allows discussions of competitors products, just not too much discussion? 2 months and 8 pages the limit?

real question.

You’d have to ask Cliff, I don’t run their forum. There’s ample evidence of the contrary but if ya want to die on the hill of “Cliff/Fractal bad” because they closed a thread about a non-competing product months after it was started, it’s your time to waste.
 
You’d have to ask Cliff, I don’t run their forum. There’s ample evidence of the contrary but if ya want to die on the hill of “Cliff/Fractal bad” because they closed a thread about a non-competing product months after it was started, it’s your time to waste.
that's your ASSumption. you stated the Fractal Forum Tone-X thread is 2 months old and 8 pages, and now Fractal wants everyone to stop posting about the Tone-X on their Forum according to the OP.

clearly Tone-X discussions are upsetting some people in Fractal-land.

it's amusing.
 
When my parents used to try and get my little brother to try new food, it was always a struggle. He hated anything different than what he was already used to. Every time they would present some new food to him on a fork, he'd shriek "SMALLER!!!" and they'd take off more and more food until eventually a single tong on the fork they were using was wider than the new piece of whatever food it was. But that wasn't even good enough. My brother would scream "WATER! I need FULL GLASS of WATER to wash it down in case I HATE it!" and so my parents would, grinning to themselves, sometimes get him a great big full glass of water.

The moment would come. After what always seemed like a solid minute of him slowly lifting that fork to his mouth, he'd finally get there and you could see that tiny morsel of food touch his lips. Immediately, without fail, he'd shout "UUUGHHH, GROOOSSS!! I HAAATTEE IT!!!" and then he'd practically stampede to his giant bucket of water and drink the entire thing in a feverish, desperate attempt to rid himself of the hatecrime in his mouth known as "apricots" or whatever.

At that point, he'd try his hardest to supress his new-food-trying PTSD and retreat to the safety of his chicken nuggets and mashed potatoes.


I've always thought of people who go out of their way to talk trash about modeling companies, particularly Fractal, just like my toddler brother. "Hey, want to try this modeler?" "NO! I JUST KNOW I'LL HATE IT!!!" "But you haven't even tried it." "NO! I need the comfort and safety of familiarity otherwise I'll die!"

What I'm trying to say is that some guitar players, for as much as they like to think they're "innovative artists" are really just some of the most conservative people possible when it comes to gear and wouldn't know a good thing if they heard played it, even if they could drink an entire glass of water right after trying it. They're so terrified of new things that they'll look for anything they can possibly find to justify their ire, and go out of their way to attack these scary new things that couldn't possibly ever be as good as the comfort and safety of their chicken nuggets... er, I mean, tube amps. "I tried this modeler by hooking it up through an old 2-inch alarm clock speaker I found in the dumpster and it wasn't NEARLY as good as my 150w W/D/W rig that uses three 4x12 cabs. I KNEW it, modeling is TERRIBLE! WHEW thank goodness I don't have to face anything that could challenge my comfort zone. Also that Cliff Chase sure is a jerk for trying to run his business HAHAHA did you see that HUGE TANTRUM he just threw where he... agreed the product was good but asked people to move a competitor's discussion elsewhere? What a JERK!!! Pssh, digital modeling guys, am I right fellas?"
 
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This place is like the media lately, make threads that totally misconstrue or take out of context what someone says and then let people fight over it lol.

Even funnier in the context of modelers on a forum fairly hellbent on being pro-tube amps. I didn’t think the tube guys even cared about modelers because of 1’s and 0’s and tone being stored in testicles and whatnot.
 
When my parents used to try and get my little brother to try new food, it was always a struggle. He hated anything different than what he was already used to. Every time they would present some new food to him on a fork, he'd shriek "SMALLER!!!" and they'd take off more and more food until eventually a single tong on the fork they were using was wider than the new piece of whatever food it was. But that wasn't even good enough. My brother would scream "WATER! I need FULL GLASS of WATER to wash it down in case I HATE it!" and so my parents would, grinning to themselves, sometimes get him a great big full glass of water.

The moment would come. After what always seemed like a solid minute of him slowly lifting that fork to his mouth, he'd finally get there and you could see that tiny morsel of food touch his lips. Immediately, without fail, he'd shout "UUUGHHH, GROOOSSS!! I HAAATTEE IT!!!" and then he'd practically stampede to his giant bucket of water and drink the entire thing in a feverish, desperate attempt to rid himself of the hatecrime in his mouth known as "apricots" or whatever.

At that point, he'd try his hardest to supress his new-food-trying PTSD and retreat to the safety of his chicken nuggets and mashed potatoes.


I've always thought of people who go out of their way to talk trash about modeling companies, particularly Fractal, just like my toddler brother. "Hey, want to try this modeler?" "NO! I JUST KNOW I'LL HATE IT!!!" "But you haven't even tried it." "NO! I need the comfort and safety of familiarity otherwise I'll die!"

What I'm trying to say is that some guitar players, for as much as they like to think they're "innovative artists" are really just some of the most conservative people possible when it comes to gear and wouldn't know a good thing if they heard played it, even if they could drink an entire glass of water right after trying it. They're so terrified of new things that they'll look for anything they can possibly find to justify their ire, and go out of their way to attack these scary new things that couldn't possibly ever be as good as the comfort and safety of their chicken nuggets... er, I mean, tube amps. "I tried this modeler by hooking it up through an old 2-inch alarm clock speaker I found in the dumpster and it wasn't NEARLY as good as my 150w W/D/W rig that uses three 4x12 cabs. I KNEW it, modeling is TERRIBLE! WHEW thank goodness I don't have to face anything that could challenge my comfort zone. Also that Cliff Chase sure is a jerk for trying to run his business HAHAHA did you see that HUGE TANTRUM he just threw where he... agreed the product was good but asked people to move a competitor's discussion elsewhere? What a JERK!!! Pssh, digital modeling guys, am I right fellas?"
…And then there are players, like myself, who’ve owned an AXE and tried it through FRFR powered speakers; and through dedicated power amps (some fx returns too) through 412s, and yes still come to the realization that yes, my tube amps STILL sound and feel better.
Hell, I’ll even say my old 1991 GSP 21 sounded better. That’s not to say the AXE didn’t sound good; it did. I get the convenience for gigs/recordings…but I won’t be selling my tube amps anytime soon.
 
The Tone-X looks interesting. IMO


Don't really need it but could be fun and useful for a small rig. Wouldn't mind capturing my amps in a small portable package. Hard to tell from YT shill reviews, waiting for non-sponsored experiences and demos.
 
…And then there are players, like myself, who’ve owned an AXE and tried it through FRFR powered speakers; and through dedicated power amps (some fx returns too) through 412s, and yes still come to the realization that yes, my tube amps STILL sound and feel better.
Hell, I’ll even say my old 1991 GSP 21 sounded better. That’s not to say the AXE didn’t sound good; it did. I get the convenience for gigs/recordings…but I won’t be selling my tube amps anytime soon.

Hey if you've given it an honest try, fully understanding how guitar tone works including the whole "cab in the room vs FRFR" thing, and you still didn't like it, more power to you man.

I'm mostly talking about the people who just take every opportunity to totally trash these things not at just the device level, but the company level too, and it's partly (or mostly) just due to their own ignorance about how guitar tone works in the first place or the fact that the company owner didn't personally bend over backwards to change their product on that person's whim and give them a one-on-one class about how to use it. These folks obviously have some personal vendetta against not just the products but the companies involved as a whole and go way beyond "I don't prefer the tones / workflow / whatever."
 
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Hey if you've given it an honest try, fully understanding how guitar tone works including the whole "cab in the room vs FRFR" thing, and you still didn't like it, more power to you man.

I'm mostly talking about the people who just take every opportunity to totally trash these things not at just the device level, but the company level too, and it's partly (or mostly) just due to their own ignorance about how guitar tone works in the first place or the fact that the company owner didn't personally bend over backwards to change their product on that person's whim and give them a one-on-one class about how to use it. These folks obviously have some personal vendetta against not just the products but the companies involved as a whole and go way beyond "I don't prefer the tones / workflow / whatever."
Totally get it….and, it’s not that I didn’t like it, it sounded good but it paled to my tube amps. Wasn’t enough to keep it. If I played out still, I’d probably have kept it for convenience.
I do predict at some point I’ll try another.
 
How is my thread "fake news"? Is it not literally what happened?

I think we have different definitions of the word “literally”. You found one thread that got locked after weeks of discussing the unit.

Another thread just got bumped, started back in November telling Fractal they need to catch up to the Helix after the last Helix update. It’s still active. https://forum.fractalaudio.com/thre...-is-awesome-fractal-needs-to-catch-up.188394/ Add that to the list I made on the previous page that shows you can indeed talk about actual competing products on their forum and not get banned or have the thread closed.

Why not just say what you think you’re getting at?
 
My op LITERALLY made fun of how he handled the situation. It's just funny to me. And yeah judging by the way he expressed his pov makes me think he's pretty mad.
But your title is misleading being that the post you’re referring to isn’t at all about whether or not people like the competing product.
 
My op LITERALLY made fun of how he handled the situation. It's just funny to me. And yeah judging by the way he expressed his pov makes me think he's pretty mad.
ALSO, my previous two posts complimented Cliff so don't act like a paranoid fanboy.

The cognitive dissonance is dripping down your chin.
 
…And then there are players, like myself, who’ve owned an AXE and tried it through FRFR powered speakers; and through dedicated power amps (some fx returns too) through 412s, and yes still come to the realization that yes, my tube amps STILL sound and feel better.
Hell, I’ll even say my old 1991 GSP 21 sounded better. That’s not to say the AXE didn’t sound good; it did. I get the convenience for gigs/recordings…but I won’t be selling my tube amps anytime soon.
I still have my axe fx . I don’t use it for tone but for effects . I’m kinda like you described except it’s a little more sterile than a tube amp still . But you basically says what I wanted to
 
Wow ... you really are an absolute fanboy, lmao. Cheer up bro!

I’m in a fine mood, just had a nice break from work!

I just find it funny to me that you REALLY want Cliff to be some dictator or something, despite being shown nearly 10 threads proving the exact opposite is true and your only piece of evidence is him closing a 8-page/2 month old thread about a product that’s not even competition to them. Somehow that STILL makes Cliff some big bad meanie head (thus, the cognitive dissonance).

We could have done this with any subject and my replies would be the same, the only reason I‘m playing along is because I’ve actually been a member there long enough to smell bullshit when someone is trying to pile it on.

Now I’m curious, what did he do to upset you? All the Camp Survivors have a story, share yours! Did ya buy a unit right before the released the upgrade? Really wanted a Klon for 15 years? Didn’t use a knob the right way and the forum members were dicks about it? (that’s one thing that actually drives me nuts there, the legit fanboys who jump down the throats of new users over basic questions). There’s always something that turned someone from not giving a shit to feeling the need to make a thread when they see Cliff doing anything other than talking amp/modeler specs.

And if something DIDN’T happen and you’ve never even owned a Fractal product, I’m even more curious!
 
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