“First of All, There Was No Guitar Player Who Had Ever Played Like That”: Van Halen Producer Ted Templeman Tells ‘GP’ How It All Began

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phil b said:
By Genes own admission he wanted to get them signed. He also paid for the demos they did. I still say his ulterior motive was to try and get Ed in the band. He did ask him and Ed turned him down, but Simmons was starting to get tired of Ace by that point.

Funny cause Ace was the first guy I heard tap when I was a kid (Alive II Shock Me Solo). So when the first VH album came out I thought this "Ed" guy was stealing from Ace! ..LOL I was like 7 or 8... Doh!
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So you recognized tapping when you were 7 or 8? Impressive, sir!!!
 
DanTravis62 said:
That makes a lot of sense honestly.

It's just the "music I grew up with" is late 80s/90s underground european metal - it was the soundtrack to all the Keggers and Saturday nights - and the battles were with "false metal" or "mallcore" like Limp Bizkit, Korn, etc

Just a cultural generation gap 🤷
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same. i was born in 83 so when i was turning 18, nu-metal was everywhere, and i hated it. I was a euro metal snob of the highest order. that shit was no where near as popular back then in america. rammstein, thats was all anyone in america knew of euro metal.
 
DanTravis62 said:
I already AM a dad.

I'm just a hair younger than the standard RT demographic, so I'm completely uninterested in Kiss, The Eagles/Joe Walsh, EVH, ACDC, or any other corporate butt rock from that era

But I'm also too old to care about Polyamory/Tammy Henson, Mastodon, or They/Them pronouns

What I wouldn't give to have a youtube channel or forum obsessed with guitar players I actually LIKE and listen to 🥵

Andre Olbrich wah/multitracking tutorial?

Manni Schmidt music theory for all the weird scales and modes he uses in solos?

Weiki strat tones? Kai Hansen weird ascending 8s?

my kingdom for guitar content I actually give a shit about
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Gotta admit, I'm not a big Eagles fan, but the tone and playing on this live solo is nothing short of killer.
 
JimAnsell said:
same. i was born in 83 so when i was turning 18, nu-metal was everywhere, and i hated it. I was a euro metal snob of the highest order. that shit was no where near as popular back then in america. rammstein, thats was all anyone in america knew of euro metal.
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My entire social group was into power/speed/thrash etc

So it seemed like it was more popular to me at the time 🤔
 
phil b said:
Funny cause Ace was the first guy I heard tap when I was a kid (Alive II Shock Me Solo). So when the first VH album came out I thought this "Ed" guy was stealing from Ace! ..LOL I was like 7 or 8... Doh!
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Ace wasn’t doing EVH’s tapping on that solo. He was doing the edge-of-the-pick tapping.(a’la Frank Zappa, and some other guys)
It’s definitely a cool texture.
 
NorCal_Val said:
Ace wasn’t doing EVH’s tapping on that solo. He was doing the edge-of-the-pick tapping.(a’la Frank Zappa, and some other guys)
It’s definitely a cool texture.
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I know it wasnt his finger but that was my first time I heard "tapping". Randy also did edge tapping. Definitely a different sound using finger vs. pick. I know some guys that use their fingernail also. If it works for them I guess, but I prefer the finger.
 
phil b said:
By Genes own admission he wanted to get them signed. He also paid for the demos they did. I still say his ulterior motive was to try and get Ed in the band. He did ask him and Ed turned him down, but Simmons was starting to get tired of Ace by that point.

Funny cause Ace was the first guy I heard tap when I was a kid (Alive II Shock Me Solo). So when the first VH album came out I thought this "Ed" guy was stealing from Ace! ..LOL I was like 7 or 8... Doh!
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i learned how to tap with my pick on my ukulele trying to copy Ace’s Shock Me solo from Kiss Alive II! My parents let me buy that album on a family trip in the summer of 79 when I was 12. I remember it was a place called Strawberries Record Store in Boston. I won the Doobie Bros “Minute by Minute” LP and the FM Steely Dan soundtrack on that same trip popping balloons with a dart on Boblo Island Amusement Park outside of Detroit, Michigan.
 
PurityS.L.G said:
I’ll never forget an interview I read where Paul Stanley called Gene a total jackass and said he would say he discovered water if authorities let him get away with it🤦🏻‍♂️🤣
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Dio said that while his grandmother used to do the old Romanian Manos cornuta, that metal
sign to ward off evil, Gene said he invented it. like breathing. And shoes... lol
 
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