20th Anniversary Shiva - LOOP question.

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I received my Ebtech line level shifter and tried it this wekend and......works perfectly, doesn't overload my chorus even with the channel gaines up much higher than before, was 9 oclock now almost 11 oclock. Switching loop in and out I could not hear any significant difference once the volumes were matched up. Works as advertised.
 
The Shiva has a line/instrument level input for FX to adjust the impedance level. Never had an issue with my Shiva or XTC. The XTC is super easy to dial in, just make sure your send level is up on the processor and make your adjustments at the return on the amp. The Shiva loop is different and you got to control the mix with your amp's master volume. Takes a bit more to get dialed in. Once you do though, mark the settings and forget. A Suhr Mini Mix II works well with the Shiva loop. Not needed for the XTC though.

Steve
 
Sorry guys, my post was for an XTC not a shiva. The line shifter allows me to interface pedals w/out overloading and keep the channel masters a little higher running a hotter signal. I think it works due to +4 to -10 conversion to the pedals and then -10 to +4 after the pedals to the return basic coming out at unity gain but lower level to the pedals. I use some chorus in my band and love my retrosonic chorus but it's not really great in the loop and overloaded. With the line level conversion it sounds exactly the same but no overload and no loss of volume. On the XTC I can switch the loop in or out and it sounds almost exactly the same, same volume etc. Before I had to run blue and red masters below 9 oclock, now 11 or higher. I just adjust loop return master volume for overall volume in the band setting and lock the loop on always. I always have a little verb goin on.
 
Just to add my 2 cents...

I'm happy with my 20th Shiva, but the loop sadly isn't great. Yes, I have a noticeable volume drop and a perceived loss of high-end. I've obsessively tested many combinations (cables, pedals, just a short patch cable between send and return)...no matter what, plugging in the loop drops the volume and apparently cuts some highs. The amp simply sounds a little less direct and punchy. I find one can counteract this by bumping up the volume (actually more than just a hair) and dialing back in some highs. Since the loop on the Shiva is engaged all the time, this disparity is not a big deal. But just dial in your amp to a comfortable volume with your loop plugged in, unplug, and wham, it's that much louder.

I find this a little similar to when the reverb is engaged. The amp feels a tad softer, less punchy. I should say, though, that I find the volume drop more pronounced in the loop than with the reverb. Maybe all of this has to do with what Bogner calls "not down loading" the amp with all the extras (reverb, f/x) not engaged. Cable to amp simply sounds best!

I've decided I can live with the less than perfect loop but I'm not the first person to wonder why one must compromise on an amp in a such price class. Loops on other amps work like a charm.

I guess one can never have it all. ;)
 
sombersoul":2w8fnfp7 said:
Just to add my 2 cents...

I'm happy with my 20th Shiva, but the loop sadly isn't great. Yes, I have a noticeable volume drop and a perceived loss of high-end. I've obsessively tested many combinations (cables, pedals, just a short patch cable between send and return)...no matter what, plugging in the loop drops the volume and apparently cuts some highs. The amp simply sounds a little less direct and punchy. I find one can counteract this by bumping up the volume (actually more than just a hair) and dialing back in some highs. Since the loop on the Shiva is engaged all the time, this disparity is not a big deal. But just dial in your amp to a comfortable volume with your loop plugged in, unplug, and wham, it's that much louder.

I find this a little similar to when the reverb is engaged. The amp feels a tad softer, less punchy. I should say, though, that I find the volume drop more pronounced in the loop than with the reverb. Maybe all of this has to do with what Bogner calls "not down loading" the amp with all the extras (reverb, f/x) not engaged. Cable to amp simply sounds best!

I've decided I can live with the less than perfect loop but I'm not the first person to wonder why one must compromise on an amp in a such price class. Loops on other amps work like a charm.

I guess one can never have it all. ;)
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Bogner loops are terrible and should be redisigned.
 
glip22":3251wigm said:
sombersoul":3251wigm said:
Bogner loops are terrible and should be redisigned.
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I was pretty bummed when I got my G-System and wasn't able to use the 4-cable method with it and my XTC Classic. I get weird phase issues and such, even with DRYKILL enabled on the G-Sys. Tried all kinds of stuff and nothing worked, so I gave up and just use my G-Sys via the 2-cable method. Sounds nice that way -- just too bad that I'm not using it to the fullest.

So yeah... NOT a big fan of Bogner's loop. Good thing the amp rules!
 
The amps are great. I have two and had three. Loops :thumbsdown: Luckily I don't use a ton of fx.
 
Thats because you were really using the rack send. Your amp is proabaly mislabeled like mine.
 
glip22":llg9xyzj said:
Thats because you were really using the rack send. Your amp is proabaly mislabeled like mine.
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It still sucks no matter what hole you stick it in. :yes:
 
Lp Freak":142km4vd said:
glip22":142km4vd said:
Thats because you were really using the rack send. Your amp is proabaly mislabeled like mine.
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It still sucks no matter what hole you stick it in. :yes:
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You sure about that :hys: Never mind. Wife is raggin so you know how it is.
 
glip22":2oxdsjc7 said:
Lp Freak":2oxdsjc7 said:
glip22":2oxdsjc7 said:
Thats because you were really using the rack send. Your amp is proabaly mislabeled like mine.
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It still sucks no matter what hole you stick it in. :yes:
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You sure about that :hys: Never mind. Wife is raggin so you know how it is.
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I knew you'd like that one. :lol: :LOL:
 
I have an EL34 Shiva and don't use the loop coz it sucks the tone although I had a brief encounter with a Nova System which wasn't too bad after a load of tweaking. But the Nova has gone now. I just got the Anniversary Shiva- same problem but its not the first time I've heard about the Suhr mixy II type thingy. May be worth a punt. Anyone else tried one and how does it help?
 
I use the Suhr Mini Mix II in the loop of my Shiva. Definitely recommend it.
 
RockStarNick":356v68nk said:
I use the Suhr Mini Mix II in the loop of my Shiva. Definitely recommend it.
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What did it do for you?
 
The Surh Mini Mix II, basically takes your SERIES loop on your Shiva, and turns it into a PARALELL loop. Think of it as a "loop within a loop".

You run: FX Send ---> Surh MMII ---> FX Return.

Then you run your effects 100% WET in the "in" and "out" of the MMII. And adjust the effects level to taste.

The pro's of this, in my mind, are that you only need about 3' or less in cable runs for the MMII. So your dry tone should be seeing less cable, which is a good thing. And the circuitry in the MMII is supposed to be really, really transparent.
 
I think I might give that a go trouble is they cost £220 here which is $353 USD How much do they go for in the US? :aww:
 
Hi guys, newbie here in need of help.

I just got a Goldfinger, which I believe has a typical Bogner post-FX loop. I'm trying to make the loop work well in serial, and I've done many of the things mentioned in previous posts/threads. I'm using the channel volumes as "send-levels" and then using the post FX mix/volume knob as a master. Both with my effects in line (a simple chorus pedal or my Nova System, to be sure its not just the fx device), and running just a 6" patch cable, running the amp in this mode just sucks the life out of both channels. Specifically, the gain channel becomes buzzy, losing all low end. I can't tweak the knobs enough to it back to how it sounds with the loop disengaged.

Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?
 
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