A Lesson In Tone: Master Of Puppets

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braintheory said:
Yeah Dyers Eve was the sound I tried most to chase by them in my teens. The intro is like an evil march of doom lol
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Dyers Eve is such a killer track. The guitars on it sound different than on all the other tracks on the album but I've never been able to pinpoint exactly why. I always suspected they sounded especially cranked, like to the point of poweramp distortion on that song. Or maybe somebody accidentally kicked a mic and it did something weird to the phase which changed the comb filtering to bring out a different resonant frequency that emphasized the clank of the Marks more or something.
 
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TheGreatGreen said:
Dyers Eve is such a killer track. The guitars on it sound different than on all the other tracks on the album but I've never been able to pinpoint exactly why. I always suspected they sounded especially cranked, like to the point of poweramp distortion on that song. Or maybe somebody accidentally kicked a mic and it did something weird to the phase and the comb filtering brought out a different resonant frequency that emphasized the clank of the Marks more or something.
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Yeah it’s one of my favorites and yes I remember I’d listen to the isolated guitar tracks and Dyers Eve for whatever reason had a more aggressive, ripping/razory sound than the other tracks on the album. I wish Blackened had the same sound too. Would’ve been epic
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Dyers Eve is such a killer track. The guitars on it sound different than on all the other tracks on the album but I've never been able to pinpoint exactly why. I always suspected they sounded especially cranked, like to the point of poweramp distortion on that song. Or maybe somebody accidentally kicked a mic and it did something weird to the phase and the comb filtering brought out a different resonant frequency that emphasized the clank of the Marks more or something.
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def one of my fav Metallica tracks
 
heres the dyers eve drum track, maybe ill give it a whirl one night

 
dead-pan said:
Looked through the notes and only found mention of a 300 watt cabinet on two songs.

I just put the 1982 G12 65 in my Mesa 2x12. The Mesa Mark 7 screams Master of Puppets through it.
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Yea im gonna have to agree, I just do not believe at all that MOP was a 75 watt celestion, atleast not much. We have to remember that when they made this record, Rasmussen and the Metallica crew had no idea the historical significance it one day would have, and that it would be a sound that people would be chasing for the next 40 years. I can’t imagine Rasmussen at the time was SUPER worried about which jcm 800 cabinet was being used, you gotta put yourself in that situation. It just doesn’t seem plausible to me personally . Plus, after hearing the 2c+/65 watt celestion combo, there’s not much that could convince me otherwise: the inherent tone of that record is in that speaker, it was clear as day to me when I hit the first chord.

Now AJFA, THAT to me sounds like a 75 watt celestion, big time for sure.
 
Personally I feel MOP would have sounded a lot better running that IIC+ through a regular old V30 loaded cab. Not sure if that would have been possible in '86 tho.
 
SonVolt said:
Personally I feel MOP would have sounded a lot better running that IIC+ through a regular old V30 loaded cab. Not sure if that would have been possible in '86 tho.
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Im curious how you come to the conclusion the entire record would have sounded better if a different speaker was used :lol I’d argue the vibe and everything about it would be totally different. Hell, if ANYTHING different was used on it anywhere probably. The sound of a record is the sum of the parts that add up to a whole.
 
SonVolt said:
Personally I feel MOP would have sounded a lot better running that IIC+ through a regular old V30 loaded cab. Not sure if that would have been possible in '86 tho.
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when my reissue comes in i'll be running it through a V30 cab...curious to see how it sounds
 
VESmedic said:
Im curious how you come to the conclusion the entire record would have sounded better if a different speaker was used :lol I’d argue the vibe and everything about it would be totally different. Hell, if ANYTHING different was used on it anywhere probably. The sound of a record is the sum of the parts that add up to a whole.
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yah i dont know how that would work, 65's to me are totally different from v30s, i dont think you could just switch them without massive changes to everything else, maybe a center track or something with a v30 blended for just a little more grit could work, that is a good combo from what ive tried
 
Techdeth said:
I swear I’m the only one who thinks puppets tone us just ok . I think the tone sounds way better at times when it’s alone . But while the band plays it’s just so normal . Idk justice Black album loss/rejad and even st anger tone is better imo . Idk .i always found it bland
Don’t kill me
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I think the problem, for me, is that the drum tone on that record really brings everything down.

I hate how the drums are so cardboardy and drenched in reverb. Rathen than sounding roomy, they just come across as so distant.
 
platyman said:
when my reissue comes in i'll be running it through a V30 cab...curious to see how it sounds
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I have the 65 in a cabinet with a V30. No doubt both are good but I love V30s and this one is the best single speaker for me.

The 65 has its own thing in the mids. It doesn't sound wildly different from the v30 but it is darker.
 
Rex Rocker said:
I think the problem, for me, is that the drum tone on that record really brings everything down.

I hate how the drums are so cardboardy and drenched in reverb. Rathen than sounding roomy, they just come across as so distant.
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To me they are too soft and plush , but I still love the songs
 
I think a factor I really appreciate about MOP and AJFA is that most of the songs have different guitar settings used in the notes. Presumably because thats what they were feeling they wanted to hear from each tune or on that day. Battery sounds quite different to Puppets and both sound diff to Disposable. Same on Justice and like noted earlier in the thread, Dyers Eve sounds particularly distinct.
I think it adds a subtle variety of tones to the album and adds to the enduring factor of the album. Each song sounds unique and is different to the generic blandness around on many other modern albums with a more generic one guitar tone setting used for a whole album, esp now in the digital age. Too much set and forget and then it all just blends into one loses the character to each tune.
 
Philhouse said:
I think a factor I really appreciate about MOP and AJFA is that most of the songs have different guitar settings used in the notes. Presumably because thats what they were feeling they wanted to hear from each tune or on that day. Battery sounds quite different to Puppets and both sound diff to Disposable. Same on Justice and like noted earlier in the thread, Dyers Eve sounds particularly distinct.
I think it adds a subtle variety of tones to the album and adds to the enduring factor of the album. Each song sounds unique and is different to the generic blandness around on many other modern albums with a more generic one guitar tone setting used for a whole album, esp now in the digital age. Too much set and forget and then it all just blends into one loses the character to each tune.
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I wonder how many metal records today just scrap the initial tone and use the D.I. they captured to reamp the whole thing with one amp or even worse, one preset and they literally just insert it into the guitar tracks, rinse and repeat and pat themselves on the back for saving time and money.
 
skoora said:
I wonder how many metal records today just scrap the initial tone and use the D.I. they captured to reamp the whole thing with one amp or even worse, one preset and they literally just insert it into the guitar tracks, rinse and repeat and pat themselves on the back for saving time and money.
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bands should just release albums with the guitars as DI's and let the listener pick the rig lol
 
Philhouse said:
I think a factor I really appreciate about MOP and AJFA is that most of the songs have different guitar settings used in the notes. Presumably because thats what they were feeling they wanted to hear from each tune or on that day. Battery sounds quite different to Puppets and both sound diff to Disposable. Same on Justice and like noted earlier in the thread, Dyers Eve sounds particularly distinct.
I think it adds a subtle variety of tones to the album and adds to the enduring factor of the album. Each song sounds unique and is different to the generic blandness around on many other modern albums with a more generic one guitar tone setting used for a whole album, esp now in the digital age. Too much set and forget and then it all just blends into one loses the character to each tune.
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Yes, exactly. Even though I prefer the tones on certain songs over others from the same album, I'd glad there's that subtle variance from track to track. It adds to the repeated listenability factor of those albums.
 
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