A NGD: ESP signature model of a German band mired in scandal

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311splawndude said:
You have to admit, Lindemann is out there. I get the shock rock though. I like Rammstein, and KISS and Korn and Disturbed and Limp Bizkit and Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. They've all sang stuff that was like WTF? I also agree to reserve judgement until the final verdict. That said - this is not helping Lindemann :LOL: :(


"There has also been renewed scrutiny of Lindemann’s often controversial lyrics and writing. His poem “Wenn du schläfst” (“When you Sleep”) prompted a huge debate in Germany when it was released in 2020.

“I like to sleep with you when you sleep, when you don’t stir at all,” the poem begins, in German. “And that’s just how it should be (how it should be so that it’s fun). A little Rohypnol in the wine (a little Rohypnol in the glass). You can’t move at all. And you’re sleeping, it’s a blessing.” Rohypnol has been used as a drug to incapacitate someone for purposes of assault.

At the time of the poem’s publication, Lindemann’s publisher Kiepenheuer & Witsch defended him.

But on June 2 the publisher severed ties with the Rammstein singer, citing “a porn video in which Till Lindemann celebrates sexual violence against women” that features the singer’s poetry anthology, the publishing house said."
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Those naughty Germans….
 
JackBootedThug said:
I love a good discussion but let’s try to steer this conversation back on course before someone gets mad and hits the ole report button. Then I will have to come on here and start yelling “Get off my lawn!!!” 😂
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Apologies. You're absolutely right.
 
nightlight said:
Apologies. You're absolutely right.
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No big deal Brother Arv.

It's an unavoidable discussion and probably not the first of this nature when you reveal to peeps what the guitar is.

JackBootedThug said:
I love a good discussion but let’s try to steer this conversation back on course before someone gets mad and hits the ole report button. Then I will have to come on here and start yelling “Get off my lawn!!!” 😂
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Too late for that brother; it's already happened. :LOL:

All-good 'though IMHO. As I said to Nightlight, it was bound to happen.
 
You are overthinking
nightlight said:
Oh my God, ladies and germs. I'm speechless. Literally everything I've wanted in a guitar.

This is one of the older ones, from 2012. Very different from the newer ones that are coming out, both lookwise and tone wise (the new ones have Fishman Fluences).

That said, with the band in the news for all the wrong reasons these days, i.e. #metoo allegations, I'm wondering whether this will hold its value in future and the guitar loses some of its desirability for me.

That said, should I paint the innocent with the same brush as the guilty? The guitarist whose signature model this is, Richard Z. Kruspe, hasn't been implicated in anything.

Meh, plays great and sounds great. Band was also great, while it lasted. Not to sound like I'm hammering a nail in their coffin, but as Rush said a long time ago, "Conform or be cast out", so I'll just see how things play out and root for the winner in this horrible, terrible situation.

And no fooling, the vocalist of this band sounds like he's sick. Read the lyrics of the songs in his side project and look at the videos. A primitive man, but I'd like to see how this plays out before condemning him nonetheless.

At any rate, I will be playing it as much as I can. Realised how much I like EMG pickups (have them in my Ltd JH-600EC, but this sounds lightyears ahead) and how good the build quality of the ESP custom shop is compared to their standard line (used to own an FR-27 that I couldn't gel with).

Some pictures for your viewing pleasure:

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A very serious metal machine. Probably the most serious I've ever owned.

I'm overwhelmed for a change. I don't deserve this (as with most of my gear), but this one is just such so beautiful and sounds so good, I feel like I finally hit the jackpot with my gear-whoring behaviour.
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you are overthinking this. Get the guitar and play it. I could give two shits if a signature model I had is the model of some psycho if I liked the guitar.
 
mooncobra said:
You are overthinking

you are overthinking this. Get the guitar and play it. I could give two shits if a signature model I had is the model of some psycho if I liked the guitar.
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I like to think of guitars as a store of value if they are well made and desirable. I use that value when I am buying, selling or trading.

The controversy detracts from that value. Or maybe it adds to it for certain consumers, I’m not sure.

At any rate, it’s a fait accompli and I bought it despite knowing what was in the news. So if it’s worth plywood in the future as a result, it’ll be a valuable lesson learned.
 
nightlight said:
I like to think of guitars as a store of value if they are well made and desirable. I use that value when I am buying, selling or trading.

The controversy detracts from that value. Or maybe it adds to it for certain consumers, I’m not sure.

At any rate, it’s a fait accompli and I bought it despite knowing what was in the news. So if it’s worth plywood in the future as a result, it’ll be a valuable lesson learned.
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In the scheme of all the terrible things going on in this world nowadays, this tiny blip on the radar will be forgotten and never spoken of again. Your investment is fine. Sleep well and play better.
 
I agree; your investment should prove sound in the long run Brother AJ. :thumbsup:
 
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