About to buy the Herbert last minute questions!!!

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Hey guys im about to buy the head, of course last minute second thoughts that people are putting in my head:

Have you compared the modern high gain of the Herbert with other amps such as engl, VHT, bogner, Suhr Se.. Or the 2010 rectifiers as some people are telling me it would cut through more..

Please convince me to buy the Herbert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :LOL: (kdg)

Also its the previous version with the internal bias point as opposed to the external. Is there any difference in tone to your knowledge between the version or is it strictly the bias that is more practical?

Thanks!!
 
1) Thats a question of personal preference of course. If you ask me:
Engl: get a Marshall 8100 SS head, cheaper and also solid state-ish sounding
VHT: bone dry, IMO too dry
Bogner: much darker, less features
Suhr: hmm - just know it from clips, like it, but IMO not enough options here, although the lead sound is very nice.

2) just practical differences
 
Herbert is the shit! it is super versatile & super reliable. You can spend days just twisting the knobs & find something different @ every turn. :D But it all comes down to what you are really looking for tone wise!

as for the bias points no difference in tone...just a qualtiy thing now in Germany.

Good luck!
 
The Engl Powerball actually sounds somewhat similar to the Herbert, since it's a cleaner smoother hi gain. The difference is the Herbert takes off where the ENGL stopped. An even clearer, crunchier hi gain.

VHT's are very different all together. I like the VHT sound, but I think I prefer the Herbert much more.

Rectos are also a completely different sound at the other end of the spectrum. They are the opposite, dirty, rough, gritty distortion.
 
BUY IT!!!! If you don't like it, believe me, you'll be able to sell it :D

V.
 
Like Paul said, the Herbert can do many styles. To me, the Mid Cut makes it a six channel amp. The differences in the
tonal palette of each channel is different enough when the Mid Cut is in or out that you can literally cover every genre.
Everyone praises Herbert for it's paint peeling, bottom thumping high gain madness, but when the day comes that you want
to take off the 7 String and plug in a Strat and chill out, the amp really excels at low and mid gain tones too.
We all love Ch. 3 with tons of gain, bass, deep and a good Mid Cut, but when you look more into Herbert you can
begin to appreciate subtleties like Ch. 2 - with a BB Preamp set to full clean boost. I just feel the Herbert is one of the most
overlooked and Metal stereotyped amps out there. It does so much more and it does it very well.

I looked into the VHT/Fryette CLX and it was a good sounding amp. A bit too stiff, but good regardless. The real issue
for me was the plastic push buttons and the cheap look to the build, transformers and chassis. Compared to the Diezel,
everything was solid metal and it has over built transformers, more loop options and more useful switching options.
In the back of my head while demoing, I though I would also rather have to deal with Peter Diezel on a bad day than Steve Fryette on
a good day for questions or service. :D
 
All of the amps you're considering here are great quality. Keep in mind you're on the Diezel forum asking if you should buy a Diezel, so some of us may be biased. :thumbsup: IMO, it doesn't get any better than Diezel for versatility, ease of use, and reliability. Just by changing power tubes you can drastically alter the sound, so if you aren't entirely happy at first, try, try again. ;)

Ventura":slrmubqh said:
BUY IT!!!! If you don't like it, believe me, you'll be able to sell it :D
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Very true. The after-market value holds well. If you buy used, you can probably sell it for the same amount you payed.
 
insignificant11":3avbaxhy said:
All of the amps you're considering here are great quality. Keep in mind you're on the Diezel forum asking if you should buy a Diezel, so some of us may be biased. :thumbsup: IMO, it doesn't get any better than Diezel for versatility, ease of use, and reliability. Just by changing power tubes you can drastically alter the sound, so if you aren't entirely happy at first, try, try again. ;)

Ventura":3avbaxhy said:
BUY IT!!!! If you don't like it, believe me, you'll be able to sell it :D
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Very true. The after-market value holds well. If you buy used, you can probably sell it for the same amount you payed.
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You have a very good point about the bias opinions on a diezel forum, but thats exactly why im asking here LOL I really want to buy the Herbert haha but just making a last minute pause to make sure.

I wont be able to resell though as i live in Lebanon (though someone will buy for me in the US and send it here) its pretty hard to resell items with a price liek that here.

Great info though, thanks guys!
 
Let's put it this way, you WILL NOT be sorry with a Herbert. There are literally tons of tones to be had and you needn't worry about cut. It'll cut like a knife if you eq it correctly for your band, environment, guitar, etc... (all of which is true of any amp). It's deceptively versatile and you'll still find sounds many many months later you never thought were there. Well, if you can tear yourself off of a particular setting on Ch2 + or Ch3 that is... :lol: :LOL:
 
Listen to Andy Wood album.... it's all Herbert (and a lil einstein for the taste) :rock:

Nah seriously, the channel 3 + mid cut is just too awesome. from smooth leads to da BR000TALZ
 
LOL thanks bro. Im going for it, and sonn be officially a part of the diezel family! :) until then.. :rock:
 
stefvorcide":1jl1a8xe said:
Listen to Andy Wood album.... it's all Herbert (and a lil einstein for the taste) :rock:

Nah seriously, the channel 3 + mid cut is just too awesome. from smooth leads to da BR000TALZ
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thanks brotha! yeah, herbert lays down some good tones for sure!! the clean is absolutely delicious as well!

A Wood
 
I am psyched to get the Herbie but i wish there were a bit more clips (sucks when you cant try the gear..)

I found this on youtube of the engl and recto, and it really sucked on my laptop lol but then i heard it elsewhere and it was pretty good.
Not exactly the music i play granted but still i get the idea of the modern tone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_61tE7a ... L&index=69

What i wanted to ask you guys: I know that the Herbert sounds different (and different is what i want) but does it get into that territory as well? Does any of you have some clips that are similar in nature?

Thanks for bearing with me!!!! The amp is just gonna cost me a fortune to get it here and i want to be able to rest and sleep for the whole month and a half it will take lol
 
diezel is the real one...i owned a lot of high gain amps, engl are ok, but too bright for me, bogner are the best swindle of amp market, the best tone you can get of an uberschall is the sound of the money in your hand when you sell it. ;) , if the problem is the money go for a marshall jvm...its a decent amp, very versatile and very good sound.

just check andy wood tone, one of the best of the year.... :thumbsup: , you can also try my band http://www.soberweb.com, evrything in my last cd" reddo" is 90% herbert.

go for it....and believe me, in a few months you will buy other... this is my actual rig: but i am with herbies since 2004...so, yes! diezel rules!!!!
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stefvorcide":1n91ootd said:
WHAT A KILLER RIG !!!!! :rock: :rock: :rock:

and I like your carpet :D
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Have ya EVER noticed how Persian or pseudo-Persian rugs are like 'de rigueur' when it comes to jam rooms, studios, and hell, even on stage platforms for some players?? I remember noticing this ever since I was a kid viewing the odd studio session - I thought "why". Now I realize, comfy on the feet, no conductivity, dampens the sound, and hey - you have to have one to be a serious musician.

It's the law.

V.

PS - killer rig bro... Definite pocket hockey material for the closet case gear queer :lol: :LOL:
 
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