Adam Jones marshall question

[jonl]

I have a VH4 and a Herbert that I run close to the settings that Adam Jones uses.
I run 2 4x12 mesa cabs and ill tell you it is an earthquake when I play them espessally with a palm mute. Sometimes I think about making a riser like drummers use to get them off the floor a bit.
If I swapped one if the 4x12 for a bass cab it would be way to much low end. But then again I don't have the Marshall yet. I bet it works well for massive sized stadiums.
I've seen later dates videos and don't think he's using the bass cab anymore.
We will see what he's using in April when they do a few shows.

 

[jonl]

So if he is blending the Marshall with the Diezel, what are his Diezel settings? The Marshall is set up for mids, is the Diezel set up with the mids scooped?

Diezel has mids maxed out. There's a photo floating around of his VH4 settings, too.

Those settings would be ungodly loud , but still wouldnt be as dirty as you hear in his tone. Something else is going on in there

Nothing else is going on. It's not magic. I've said this many times before but nobody seems to listen: I built a Super Lead clone to the specs Dave Friedman said Adam's amp is. And to my ears, it sounds identical to what you hear on Undertow. No boosts. No "mods." No magical ingredients. Just a stock JMP, a Les Paul, and some Greenbacks.

Wasn't there a post on here where Peter Stapfer plays Adam's rig and comments? I remember something about a massive phase shift from all the cabinets that made him dizzy playing directly in front of them. The tubes in the blueface were Chinese 6l6GCMSTR (Ruby). Peter thought the Diezel was way to dark but Adam loves it. Not much on the Marshall.

Yeah, his mic setup has some inherent phasing that is part of his (live) sound.

I remember looking back at your metro build and could of sworn that you said that it didn't have as much crunch/gain as the Marshall Adam has.

Also you always say green backs. How sure are you that he is running them?
I mean for sure he could of put them in the cab, but he has had so many black marshall cabs over the years it just seems like it would be so e much easier to buy a Marshall cab already loaded with greenbacks and if I am correct didn't they only make marshall cabs with greenbacks tan/hemp fronts?

 

[jonl]

So if he is blending the Marshall with the Diezel, what are his Diezel settings? The Marshall is set up for mids, is the Diezel set up with the mids scooped?

Diezel has mids maxed out. There's a photo floating around of his VH4 settings, too.

Those settings would be ungodly loud , but still wouldnt be as dirty as you hear in his tone. Something else is going on in there

Nothing else is going on. It's not magic. I've said this many times before but nobody seems to listen: I built a Super Lead clone to the specs Dave Friedman said Adam's amp is. And to my ears, it sounds identical to what you hear on Undertow. No boosts. No "mods." No magical ingredients. Just a stock JMP, a Les Paul, and some Greenbacks.

Wasn't there a post on here where Peter Stapfer plays Adam's rig and comments? I remember something about a massive phase shift from all the cabinets that made him dizzy playing directly in front of them. The tubes in the blueface were Chinese 6l6GCMSTR (Ruby). Peter thought the Diezel was way to dark but Adam loves it. Not much on the Marshall.

Yeah, his mic setup has some inherent phasing that is part of his (live) sound.

Oh and isn't Adams Marshall newer than 73? His wasn't hand wired if so.


I remember looking back at your metro build and could of sworn that you said that it didn't have as much crunch/gain as the Marshall Adam has.

Also you always say green backs. How sure are you that he is running them?
I mean for sure he could of put them in the cab, but he has had so many black marshall cabs over the years it just seems like it would be so e much easier to buy a Marshall cab already loaded with greenbacks and if I am correct didn't they only make marshall cabs with greenbacks tan/hemp fronts?

 

[JTyson]

Vespa scooters are deadly, they must be banned to save people from themselves

 

[wIsEbLooD]

i think i am going to go get some toast.

 

[FourT6and2]

So if he is blending the Marshall with the Diezel, what are his Diezel settings? The Marshall is set up for mids, is the Diezel set up with the mids scooped?

Diezel has mids maxed out. There's a photo floating around of his VH4 settings, too.

Those settings would be ungodly loud , but still wouldnt be as dirty as you hear in his tone. Something else is going on in there

Nothing else is going on. It's not magic. I've said this many times before but nobody seems to listen: I built a Super Lead clone to the specs Dave Friedman said Adam's amp is. And to my ears, it sounds identical to what you hear on Undertow. No boosts. No "mods." No magical ingredients. Just a stock JMP, a Les Paul, and some Greenbacks.

Wasn't there a post on here where Peter Stapfer plays Adam's rig and comments? I remember something about a massive phase shift from all the cabinets that made him dizzy playing directly in front of them. The tubes in the blueface were Chinese 6l6GCMSTR (Ruby). Peter thought the Diezel was way to dark but Adam loves it. Not much on the Marshall.

Yeah, his mic setup has some inherent phasing that is part of his (live) sound.

I remember looking back at your metro build and could of sworn that you said that it didn't have as much crunch/gain as the Marshall Adam has.

Also you always say green backs. How sure are you that he is running them?
I mean for sure he could of put them in the cab, but he has had so many black marshall cabs over the years it just seems like it would be so e much easier to buy a Marshall cab already loaded with greenbacks and if I am correct didn't they only make marshall cabs with greenbacks tan/hemp fronts?

Adam's amp is later than '73. Not sure if it's handwired or PCB. Shouldn't make a huge difference.

My Metro doesn't have as much gain as a typical JMP due to the huge transformers from Mercury that I used. The amp is super tight and clean. With real Marshall transformers it would be easier to get it all raunchy and mean at lower volumes. But my Metro is close enough for a clone. Just have to crank it louder.

As far as speakers go, it's just a best-guess. But I've used 'em all. And to my ears, Greenbacks are the way to go. Greenbacks came in many Marshall cabs over the years, not just ones with a certain color grill. And by Greenbacks, I mean G12M, not G12H. But who knows, he could be running car stereo speakers for all anybody knows. But I doubt it. Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is usually correct. Adam's "tone" is just classic Les Paul into a cranked Super Lead. Everyone has used that combo at some point. And you can get many different sounds from it just by how you play. Play something dark and evil and it will sound dark and evil. Play something light and poppy and it will sound that way. It's no secret. People just gravitate toward mystery because they like to believe that their idols are good, not because of skill and personal style, but because of some magical piece of equipment that they MUST have...

 

[jonl]

I don't think the 1960 cab with black grill ever came with greenbacks, but like you said it could be car stereo speakers.

 

[moltisanti]

this video is from 93 so before the VH4 or the Mesa, just Marshalls and it sounds fucking killer, i saw them at an outdoor show like this and his tone was so clear and punchy, not gainy at all

 

[stephen sawall]

I don't think the 1960 cab with black grill ever came with greenbacks, but like you said it could be car stereo speakers.

They have ... I have seen plenty of them.

 

[jonl]

I don't think the 1960 cab with black grill ever came with greenbacks, but like you said it could be car stereo speakers.

They have ... I have seen plenty of them.

i'd love to see one, could you show me?

 

[stephen sawall]

I don't think the 1960 cab with black grill ever came with greenbacks, but like you said it could be car stereo speakers.

They have ... I have seen plenty of them.

i'd love to see one, could you show me?

I have not owned one of these cabs in 20 years. I have owned a few....

 

[Ventura]

this video is from 93 so before the VH4 or the Mesa, just Marshalls and it sounds fucking killer, i saw them at an outdoor show like this and his tone was so clear and punchy, not gainy at all

Thanks for this post Moltisanti, it's been a while... And ya, sounded clear, punched, perfect - even with the more primitive recording/video techniques back then.

 

[EXPcustom]

I don't think the 1960 cab with black grill ever came with greenbacks, but like you said it could be car stereo speakers.

They have ... I have seen plenty of them.

i'd love to see one, could you show me?

In the 90's they had all kinds of Marshall cabs with black grill cloths, ones with v30s, greenbacks or GT75s. I think the cab badge just said 1960 super lead or vintage not sure.

 

[MOOSEHEADS]

i think i am going to go get some toast.

I prefer buttered toast!

 

[Ventura]

 

[MOOSEHEADS]

Texas toast with a fatty rare ribeye! Not a stringy flank steak!

 

[Ventura]

Texas toast with a fatty rare ribeye! Not a stringy flank steak!

 

[ericsabbath]

as much as I love tool, adam jones trolling, marshalls, diezels and knowing how my favorite bands use their stuff, I don't get all the crap I read here sometimes

you just can't copy someone elses tone by copying their exact rig and settings, specially when using old marshalls
as someone said here, they all sounded different stock and we're talking about a modded one

don't know when or how he uses that shitty dod eq, but I could get a pretty similar tone from my heavily modded '73 50w jmp with an old maxon 6 band eq in the front and that amp set to low/medium gain
my amp has 4 serial gain stages, like a slo or something, so is hardly a plexi, although it still sounds like one in low gain settings (it's not an overly saturated amp... more like a bogner shiva type of gain in the highest settings)
coincidentally, my bass, mids and gain settings are pretty close to that pic, but my amp has 3 master volumes (post eq, pre loop, post loop)
I used the maxon eq for a couple years, but went back to overdrives
I loved the extra articulation of eq boosting and the dry crunch it delivered, but now I need the compression of an overdrive

my point is: I didn't have to buy Adam Jones entire rig to sound like him
I'd probably sound absolutely nothing like him with his amps, but I know how to use my own

 

[FourT6and2]

as much as I love tool, adam jones trolling, marshalls, diezels and knowing how my favorite bands use their stuff, I don't get all the crap I read here sometimes

you just can't copy someone elses tone by copying their exact rig and settings, specially when using old marshalls
as someone said here, they all sounded different stock and we're talking about a modded one

don't know when or how he uses that shitty dod eq, but I could get a pretty similar tone from my heavily modded '73 50w jmp with an old maxon 6 band eq in the front and that amp set to low/medium gain
my amp has 4 serial gain stages, like a slo or something, so is hardly a plexi, although it still sounds like one in low gain settings (it's not an overly saturated amp... more like a bogner shiva type of gain in the highest settings)
coincidentally, my bass, mids and gain settings are pretty close to that pic, but my amp has 3 master volumes (post eq, pre loop, post loop)
I used the maxon eq for a couple years, but went back to overdrives
I loved the extra articulation of eq boosting and the dry crunch it delivered, but now I need the compression of an overdrive

my point is: I didn't have to buy Adam Jones entire rig to sound like him
I'd probably sound absolutely nothing like him with his amps, but I know how to use my own

Adam's Marshall is hardly "modified." It's basically a stock JMP. NFB loop is 100k on the 4 ohm tap. That's fairly standard. Has .68 caps in V1 and V2. Also pretty standard. And a .68 cap for presence. Nothing crazy there. Jumped channels. Also nothing out of the ordinary. I don't understand why people keep saying his amp is "modded." Rewiring a Super Bass to a Super Lead doesn't equal "modded" in my book.

The DOD EQ pedal is used for some solos and for various textures in some parts of some songs. For example, the high-pitched squeals right before the solo on Pushit. It's not something that's always on.

 

[Tu_pe]

I'm just scraping the cooled ashes here...

A picture from the youtube video "Bird and Jon go to the Tool Music Clinic in St. Paul MN 5/11/18".
Jumped channels, yes.
An EQ(?) or delay(?) pedal attached between the channels?
Has anybody idea what can be switched there?