Amp combinations- suggestions

[VH4_BigRig]

hey guys, it's become clear to me that I likely need another amp to cover the sounds I'm after, as long as I have one amp with 6L6s for cleans and one with EL34s (or similar) for distortion...what are your takes on the following combinations?

Diezel VH4 w/6L6s + Marshall 2203x
Diezel VH4 w/6L6s + Orange Tiny Terror
Diezel VH4 w/EL34s + Fender Twin Reverb (blackface, non re-issue)
Diezel Einstein w/EL34s + Fender Twin Reverb (blackface, non re-issue- this combination I could trade for without really spending much)
Fender Twin Reverb (blackface, non re-issue) + Bogner Uberschall (found some great deals in a couple of places, but this option is least likely due to the deals being gone shortly)

I wish I could just buy a Bogner XTC Classic to add to the VH4, but that's out of my price range (preferably less than $1500).

I know a guy who mods old silverface Fenders back to '60s blackface specs for the price of a twin re-issue, if you're wondering how that target is still possible

 

[ajharris1215]

vh4 with the twin reverb would work well. if it were me, i'd save up and get the ecstacy... combined with a vh4, its worth it. i like the 101 way more than the classic, but thats just me.

 

[MARK2C]

I do not know what Peter did, but the new VH4 has Fender like cleans, HiWatt to JCM 800 crunch and just purely insane gain
levels on channel 3 and 4 with EL34's. In comparison to my 2000 and 2001 VH4's it is a dramatic difference on the first three channels. Either the VH4 has been upgraded or Peter does not know his girlfriend is modifying the preamp without his knowledge.
Preamp courtesy of Angelika, dog hair courtesy of Einstein !!!

I got my new VH4 yesterday thanks to the info in this forum after a seven year absence.

 

[Jaymz82]

I do not know what Peter did, but the new VH4 has Fender like cleans, HiWatt to JCM 800 crunch and just purely insane gain
levels on channel 3 and 4 with EL34's. In comparison to my 2000 and 2001 VH4's it is a dramatic difference on the first three channels. Either the VH4 has been upgraded or Peter does not know his girlfriend is modifying the preamp without his knowledge.
Preamp courtesy of Angelika, dog hair courtesy of Einstein !!!

I got my new VH4 yesterday thanks to the info in this forum after a seven year absence.

Peter has actually updated the VH4 circuit and the latest version sound a lot different from the 2001 i first had. Peter updated my VH4 this spring and I totally love the "new" VH4.

 

[MARK2C]

I do not know what Peter did, but the new VH4 has Fender like cleans, HiWatt to JCM 800 crunch and just purely insane gain
levels on channel 3 and 4 with EL34's. In comparison to my 2000 and 2001 VH4's it is a dramatic difference on the first three channels. Either the VH4 has been upgraded or Peter does not know his girlfriend is modifying the preamp without his knowledge.
Preamp courtesy of Angelika, dog hair courtesy of Einstein !!!

I got my new VH4 yesterday thanks to the info in this forum after a seven year absence.

Peter has actually updated the VH4 circuit and the latest version sound a lot different from the 2001 i first had. Peter updated my VH4 this spring and I totally love the "new" VH4.

Is it me, or does the new VH4 almost not need the use of the presence control and deep functions ?

 

[Jaymz82]

What makes you say that

 

[VH4_BigRig]

I do not know what Peter did, but the new VH4 has Fender like cleans, HiWatt to JCM 800 crunch and just purely insane gain
levels on channel 3 and 4 with EL34's. In comparison to my 2000 and 2001 VH4's it is a dramatic difference on the first three channels. Either the VH4 has been upgraded or Peter does not know his girlfriend is modifying the preamp without his knowledge.
Preamp courtesy of Angelika, dog hair courtesy of Einstein !!!

I got my new VH4 yesterday thanks to the info in this forum after a seven year absence.

My problem with the VH4 is that it can have Fender like cleans...but only when it has 6L6s in it! When mine had EL34s in it, channels 1/2 didn't really do anything for me...but as soon as I put the 6L6s in I thought they were awesome! The catch was channels 3/4 sounded better with EL34s...hence the predicament.

I posted a while back asking for people's opinions on a second amp, and many people mentioned trying a distortion pedal in front of the Diezel. However, I've tried a few pedals and they just didn't do it for me, they had nice enough crunch but just didn't seem to have the warm saturation I was looking for.

Anybody else have thoughts on these amp combinations?

PS The word "saturation" made me think of Satch's new Vox pedal, anybody tried that thing out yet?

Thanks!

 

[Bad Brad]

Here is the deal, if you want fender cleans you need to get a fender, nothing else will do. We all have our Diezel's for what they do , yeah they have a nice clean channel but it's not Fender. Remember every Amp in the world has been modeled after a fender including good ole Jim Marshall's work. Bogner, Soldano, Diaz, Germino, all of them. Thankfully Peter Diezel has done something that no one else has figured out. That is why I own one, but I'll always have my 1965 blackface aroung for the real clean stuff, with the reverb it's second to none.

To answer your question, keep the VH4 and get a fender, but not a twin, get a deluxe reverb or a princeton re-issue. Check out Jim Campilongo on you tube. Bill Frisell only uses Deluxe reverbs.

 

[nbarts]

Diezel VH4 w/6L6s + Marshall 2203x
Diezel VH4 w/6L6s + Orange Tiny Terror
Diezel VH4 w/EL34s + Fender Twin Reverb (blackface, non re-issue)
Diezel Einstein w/EL34s + Fender Twin Reverb (blackface, non re-issue- this combination I could trade for without really spending much)
Fender Twin Reverb (blackface, non re-issue) + Bogner Uberschall (found some great deals in a couple of places, but this option is least likely due to the deals being gone shortly)

I wish I could just buy a Bogner XTC Classic

You mention a lot of different amps here. Which one of these have you actually tried? Either you have no idea what most of these sound like or you are undecided about the tone you are after.

 

[visualrocker69]

Few steps to greatness...

1) VH4 with EL34 and Fender Twin Reverb
2) Save up for the price difference between a Bogner XTC Classic and the Twin
3) Sell your Twin
4) Buy the XTC Classic
5) Rebias the VH4 for 6L6

 

[van hellion]

plus one on just adding a deluxe reverb to your rig, i have an original from 1964 that sounds fantastic!

peace
A Wood

 

[supersonic]

The Custom Audio Electonics OD100 has the best clean sounds I've heard, not to mention a very good o/d chanel also.

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe it's just me, but I have never had any problem getting any type of cleans from the clean sections of any of my Diezels?!

 

[Ampaddict]

One of the best amp combinations I ever owned was a Boogie Mark IIC+ and a Herbert run w/ a Radial Switchbone.

 

[The Udo]

I do not know what Peter did, but the new VH4 has Fender like cleans, HiWatt to JCM 800 crunch and just purely insane gain
levels on channel 3 and 4 with EL34's. In comparison to my 2000 and 2001 VH4's it is a dramatic difference on the first three channels. Either the VH4 has been upgraded or Peter does not know his girlfriend is modifying the preamp without his knowledge.
Preamp courtesy of Angelika, dog hair courtesy of Einstein !!!

I got my new VH4 yesterday thanks to the info in this forum after a seven year absence.

Peter has actually updated the VH4 circuit and the latest version sound a lot different from the 2001 i first had. Peter updated my VH4 this spring and I totally love the "new" VH4.

I was just wondering....when did the upgrade happen? Mine is a 2005 VH4....I don´t need the upgrade do I?

Rock on!

 

[JohnRageOn]

Here is the deal, if you want fender cleans you need to get a fender, nothing else will do. We all have our Diezel's for what they do , yeah they have a nice clean channel but it's not Fender. Remember every Amp in the world has been modeled after a fender including good ole Jim Marshall's work. Bogner, Soldano, Diaz, Germino, all of them. Thankfully Peter Diezel has done something that no one else has figured out. That is why I own one, but I'll always have my 1965 blackface aroung for the real clean stuff, with the reverb it's second to none.

Well put!

 

[GloryHog]

The best amp combination I have ever heard was My Diezel Einstein (100w) with EL34 winged c's, and a THD Flexi with KT66's. Fantastic blend of tone!

GH

 

[fearhk213]

The Custom Audio Electonics OD100 has the best clean sounds I've heard, not to mention a very good o/d chanel also.

+1

I had an OD100 / Herbert combo for a while. There really wasn't anything I couldn't do well tone wise with that combo.

 

[steve_k]

Currently running a VH4/Uberschall combination. Will peel paint off the walls and cause your groin to flutter . Come to think of it, just moving the road case around with those two monsters makes my groin flutter Mesa DR in the closet...

Steve

 

[Sam L.]

i really like the bass & mid on vh4.any suggestion what amp for the highs that mix well with vh4?im talking about chnl3 & 4 on vh4.