Anyone knows a good noisegate?

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Hey guys,
I think I need a noisegate for my Herbert.

It's not that I dont like feedback - but it must be controllable.
I have an Ibanez PGM30 with Bareknuckle Holidyver in it and normally dont like noisegates, but
- I tried to lower the pu (now much to far from the strings)
- Master Volume is at 9.00 , Channel at 12.00, Gain a little bit above and I still have uncontrolled feedback when I mute the strings with my hand. Same problem with my EMG-equipped Ibanez.
It should only hold back these extreme noises that start, when I turn up the volume knob - not supress feedback when I dont mute the strings.

What do you recommend? I am afraid of tone-sucking stuff ;-)
 
ISP Decimator!

and i you can spend some more get the G-string model, for 4 cable method.

its really worth the money, and no tone-sucking fomr this one! i had a Boss NS-2 prior to this, and while i didnt notice much on other amps, when i bought the Diezel, i recognized how much low-end the Boss cuts.
 
I have an MXR Smart Gate pedal. Works great and quite a bit of tweaking if needed. I use a dBx 266 Gate/Limiter in the rack.

Steve
 
Wow, that were fast answers - you are great guys =)

ISP Deciminator seems to be not too expensive.

Whats the correct name of the G-string model?
And why do you have to use 4 cables? This point I dont get... :confused:

I only want them to be set so little, that I still have long feedback notes, but no feedback when muted.
I always thought Diezels dont need a noisegate, but seems to be the combination of to much output of the pu's + higher volume that make them feep.
 
the g-string would be this:

click: ISP Decimator G-string

the 4 cable method would be that you use it in front of the amp and in the loop at the same time. so it owuld be plugged guitar into input1, from output1 into the amp, from the loop-send-jack into input2 of the ISP, from output2 into the amps loop-return-jack. so you can control the noise from the guitar as well as the feedback produced by the preamp.

i have the "normal" ISP Decimator only, but i'm 100% happy. the sweet spot is found easily where you have no noise/constant feep, but can have feedback if wanted/needed!

and yes, the amp itself is deadquiet usually, but there is noise picked up by the humbuckers, cables, maybe pedals that produce noise...
 
Hey, thanks again for your tipps.

I have ordered the "normal" ISP Decimator, because I think this is enough for my playing.
I try to keep it simple and dont like much effects, normally the only thing I use is my Crybaby =)

This forum is so cool - everytime you have a problem you people here help within a few hours.
 
You will be happy with the ISP. I have been using one for years. :rock:
 
DvE":2jrjnark said:
Hey, thanks again for your tipps.

I have ordered the "normal" ISP Decimator, because I think this is enough for my playing.
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good choice, i'm sure you'll be happy with it! :thumbsup:
 
ISP Decimator Pro Rack G. Such a great investment. Seriously, just drop the dough once and never worry about your noise suppressor coming up short in ANY circumstance ever again.
 
Hi,

do you mean the pedal or the rack-version - is there any difference?

Cheers
 
Any ISP product will be the best in its class. I have pedals and also the PRO RACK G. Amazing stuff and no tone suck or note cut off. You can use the various products in different ways...either in back, out front or both. I can max out my amp volume, put the guitar un-muted right up to the speakers and shake the guitar and hear silence....I can then hit a note and it will sustain until I kill the feedback. Marvelous products ISP makes and second to none for sure....just like our amps ;)
 
I have the rackmount ISP and it's a brilliant piece of gear. I wouldn't see myself without one AT ALL. The pedal is nice too, i've try it a few times and it was about the same, no tone suck
 
Thanks Guys,

to be more precise: I need it for my Einstein, second channel, when I play lead - so I think, it should have to go after preamp into the serial loop to kill noise and unwanted feedback. Is both usable - pedal and rack device? And for the string-noise when playing? Does it cut this as well or do I have to use a pedal in front of the amp? 4 cable method is too much cables (I already have enough from pedalboard to amp, what drives me crazy sometimes anyway ...).

I have no experience with noise gates except of ma Rocktron Replifex, which cuts hearable sound and loudness a bit (maybe I didn't adjust the hush properly, but tried it several times and was not satiesfied).

Can you give me an advise, how to use the ISP products the best way?

Greetings

ed
 
IMHO smart gate for best gate out there, ISP for best noise suppressor out there, and yes they ARE different. adding to the confusion is that the ever so popular NS-2 is called a noise suppressor but is a noise gate.

in front of an amp a noise gate will stop feedback and pickup hum.

in an effects loop a noise suppressor will stop hiss, noise from preamp and any pedals.

NOTHING will stop string noise while playing except cleaner playing.

the four cable method allows the new ISP to track the signal from the guitar input even though it is in the effects loop allowing you to set your IPS for distortion and then NOT have to readjust it when switching to your clean channel because it is cutting the clean off from being set to high for clean.

the rackmount is two fully functional ISP units in one, the g string is NOT.
 
Thanks a lot.
But what about the pedal - you use it between guitar and amp or could you use it in the loop too?

Greetings
ed
 
ISP has two different padels. "one Channel" that whould be the normal ISP Decimator Pedal and the "two channel version" that whould be the G-String-Pedal. The G-String is actual the pro rack g as pedal. The options to use it are nearly unlimited :lol: :LOL:
 
uwgestein":1ioea0zw said:
ISP has two different padels. "one Channel" that whould be the normal ISP Decimator Pedal and the "two channel version" that whould be the G-String-Pedal. The G-String is actual the pro rack g as pedal. The options to use it are nearly unlimited :lol: :LOL:
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this is actually incorrect but most people believe to be true.
:doh:
the g string is not two decimators in one unit ONLY the rackmount is.

The g string is the decimator pedal with the signal tracking portion of the circuit at the front of the unit with its own in out jack.

your guitar signal enters the pedal, gets tracked by the unit then exits the pedal and enters your amps preamp. your signal then exits the amp thru the fx send enters the suppression portion of the circuit. it then exits the pedal and enters your power amp thru the fx return.

the advantage of this setup over the standard pedal is that the input signal is what is being tracked NOT the preamp signal exiting the fx send. this allows you to set the gate high enough to kill any noise coming from the ultra mega distortion you have dialed in on the dirty channel without effecting the clean channel. with original unit many users found that they would set it up to kill the noise on the diert then switch to clean and the unit wont even pass signal because the suppression is set to high for the now much quieter clean signal exiting the fx send. If you haven't realized yet, the pedal is doing NOTHING to the guitar signal entering the amp other than tracking and buffering it.

the rackmount version is indeed two decimators in one. one before the amp and one after built into the same box. this allows you to set one to suppress the guitar and any onstage hum or feedback the second in the loop to suppress preamp/fx noise,hiss. this unit also tracks the input signal but sends it to BOTH circuits. it also employs low-pass filtering that none of the other units have.

damn after writing all of this I realize their site says it all...

The Decimator G String noise reduction pedal was designed for those who want the ultimate performance in a foot pedal and delivers performance like that of the renowned ISP Decimator ProRackG.

The Decimator G String provides a totally independent channel of Decimator noise reduction that can be inserted into a series effects loop or after a preamp section with the advantage of having the Decimator level detectors track the guitar signal directly. With the G String pedal you can set the threshold and no matter what level of noise the Decimator will track perfectly without any side effects.

The amazing thing is that you can switch from high gain to your clean channel and never have to switch the Decimator G String off due to the threshold being set too high. It’s simply transparent.

As can be seen in the diagram, the G String noise reduction pedal has an input to connect a guitar directly and a buffered output signal to feed the front of a guitar rig directly while providing a separate audio channel of Decimator that can be inserted in the signal chain of any guitar rig. You can insert any other pedals between the output of the Decimator G String and the input of your guitar amplifier. This allows the Decimator G String pedal to remove any level of noise you may have even with overdrive pedals at the front end of the amp.
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"like that" (not the same.) and "a totally independent..." (singular.)

The Decimator ProRackG is the only system in the world designed with two channels of single ended noise reduction configured specifically for high gain guitar applications allowing one channel to deliver noise reduction for the guitar directly and a second channel to eliminate amplifier gain noise. Channel one eliminates the 50 or 60 cycle hum, buzz, stage light noise and any other noise picked up directly by the instrument. The ProRack channel one output drives the front end of your guitar amplifier and eliminates all of the input noise picked up by the guitar. The control circuit of the second channel detects and tracks the guitar signal directly while the signal processing audio chain is patched into the effects loop of the high gain guitar amplifier. Now you can quiet down even the most insane amounts of noise with any amplifier system incorporating a series effects loop.

The Decimator ProRackG will also solve the typical high gain feedback or squealing problem that the high gain guitar player fights. You know how difficult this problem can be. You play staccato notes and in between each note you have a squeal or burst of feedback that's virtually impossible to control. Problem solved with the Decimator ProRackG. By proper setting of the threshold for channel one and channel two you can eliminate this problem for good.

The Decimator ProRackG has dual processing channels incorporating both low-level downward expansion and dynamically controlled low-pass filtering in a very easy to use single rack space unit. The Decimator ProRackG is based on ISP Technologies patent pending “Time Vector Processing” which provides the most adaptively dynamic release response characteristics of any real time noise reduction system. The patent pending Time Vector Processing dynamic response circuit is used to control the release time constant of both the downward expander and dynamic filter.

Not only does the Decimator ProRackG deliver the most stunning noise reduction, it also solves the problem of needing to adjust the Threshold setting every time you change gain or switch channels. By using the input guitar signal to drive both channels' level detection circuitry, the ProRackG needs no other adjustments once the thresholds are set based on the guitar input. This will give you the correct threshold with clean, crunch and even monstrous amounts of gain and if you use pedals you can insert them in the loop between the output of the Decimator Channel 1 and the input of the guitar amplifier.

Players keep asking how the ProRackG works without any required change in the threshold when changing from clean to distort, read on: As you can see from the above diagram, the ProRackG has two channels of noise reduction. The guitar plugs directly into the channel 1 input and the level and frequency detectors for both channel 1 and channel 2 measure the direct guitar input signal. This means that changing from a clean sound to a high gain distorted will not affect the signal seen by the detectors. This means that you can use the first Decimator channel to eliminate any noise that the guitar picks up directly like transformer hum, light noise etc. You simply adjust the threshold of channel 1 to eliminate this front end noise. The second channel is inserted into the effects loop of your amplifier (requires a series effects loop) and this channel will clean up the high gain preamp noise, ground loop hum, and any other noise that you have in this chain. The beauty of its operation is that the second channel is working to clean up this high gain noise but in response to the actual guitar signal, which typically has a much higher dynamic range than what you would see if this channel's detector's were detecting the high gain signal. By setting the threshold of channel 2 to eliminate all of the gain noise when the guitar signal decays into the noise this will also provide the correct setting for your clean channel.

Time Vector Processing is the core technology that makes the Decimator work with such amazing transparency. The Time Vector Processing compares the long term envelope of the input signal with the short term envelope of the input signal and generates a "Time Vector" or "Time Correction" signal. This time correction signal dynamically changes the release response of the expander and dynamic filter. If the input signal is a slow decaying long sustained note the Time Vector Processing circuit senses that the envelope of the input signal is a slowly decaying signal and sets the release time for a slow smooth release. If however, the input signal is a short staccato note with a fast decay the Time Vector circuit will produce a Time Correction signal which will instantaneously change the release time of the downward expander and dynamic filter to an extremely fast response. The Time Vector Processing circuit continuously monitors the input signal and alters the release time allowing the Decimator to adapt its response to provide an optimized response for any guitar signal. The Time Vector Processing circuit provides a variable response time ratio of greater than 1000 to 1.
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doesn't anyone read up on gear before they buy it? I am soooo anal that way, ill read a manual for a device I might buy 500 times before even deciding Ill actually get it. I can usually function a brand new toy the instant I get it without a further look at the manual! hmmm I'm probably the weirdo...
 
the decimator pedal or rack comes in two platforms...one runs as a normal gate/hush in front of the amp. in the other model, there is also a send/return for running it also in the FX loop to quiet down your noisy pedals or use some signal gating. this way you have both sides of the amp covered they also have a stereo model for mono/stereo output for stereo amps/power amps.

i don't own one, but they seem to be popular. i use an mxr as in the earlier post on the floor, but also have a dBx in the rack.

steve
 
I picked up a Decimator ProRack G a few months ago. Great product you will not be disappointed.
 
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