i have the vertical and short 2x12s at the shop. I like these alot better for the heavier stuff. what i usually recommend to guys is if u play cleaner and use alot of effects, the bigger 2x12 is the smart choice. if u want tight punchy bass and a more agressive tone than the short 2x12 is the way to go. im building a rig right now with a front loaded uber cab and 2 vertical for wet cabs. i cant wait to play it