Are The Scorpions and/or Uli John Roth Overrated?

VonBonfire said:
My friend @JohnnyGtar turned me on to that album this week. Frank has some amazing clean technique and can get around a fretboard very quickly!!!
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Yep. And when I listen to that clean technique and some of his particular licks, I can hear the influence he had on a young guy that would go on to become the cleanest, Paul Gilbert.
 
tallcoolone said:
Uli wasn’t with them then was he? I saw that up in Maine when I was in HS—June and it was 40 degrees and pouring rain. Scorps were great, but I don’t recall Uli being a part
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Nope mathies (sp) was with them. Klaus has a killer voice. I put him near dio….near… not dio level though…
 
SoooRad said:
I’m not familiar enough with his work, but the stuff I’ve heard is definitely cool. The Frank Marino cult comparison thing is funny. That cult is totally justified. Even if he had just recorded the Juggernaut album, that would have locked him in forever.
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I had the honor of a lifetime speaking to Mr Marino on the phone a few days ago. Salt of the earth. Just the most humble and down to earth man. And to think he actually took time to speak to a complete stranger. What an honor that I will never forget…..
 
JackBootedThug said:
I had the honor of a lifetime speaking to Mr Marino on the phone a few days ago. Salt of the earth. Just the most humble and down to earth man. And to think he actually took time to speak to a complete stranger. What an honor that I will never forget…..
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Awesome!!!
 
JackBootedThug said:
I had the honor of a lifetime speaking to Mr Marino on the phone a few days ago. Salt of the earth. Just the most humble and down to earth man. And to think he actually took time to speak to a complete stranger. What an honor that I will never forget…..
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He’s on the list of my favorite players . I love his 70s and early 80s discography . Later in his career his Real Live album and Live At The Agora DVD are mind blowing
 
hammered said:
He’s on the list of my favorite players . I love his 70s and early 80s discography . Later in his career his Real Live album and Live At The Agora DVD are mind blowing
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I knew who he was and he was a beast. Since speaking to him I have went on a deep dive and he is the first shredder imo. He can do it all…and do it well…. The 3 singles in a sg is pretty sweet… Gibson scale and string tension works for me better than 25.5” scale…
 
Kapo_Polenton said:
Jabs is the king of the lead break between verses, he's an incredibly musical player and a guy who writes lead breaks that aren't difficult, but that are memorable because you can sing them. So it begs the question, what are we talking about here? Do you want technical playing? Are you looking for precise picking patterns and sweeps or are you thinking of the music? There is no question the Scorpions are right where they should be where reputation is concerned. I think they died out substantially after the Tease Me Please Me / Wind's of Change album but were a force in the 80's.

Uli is definitely as good as people say he is. He's a special type of player who has never really cared what anyone thinks of him or his music. Great vibrato, great sense of melody, quirky playing at times but the whole thing works. Going to see him is like having some sort of weird cosmic experience because of all the visual stuff he has and how he dresses and plays. There is also zero doubt that he influenced Malmsteen. I think for being "1st" in his genre and touching on the neoclassical thing in a rock context, you can't take anything away from the guy. I really like his writing with the Scorps. There is some great stuff there and awesome tone for the time period. Again, how do you judge guitar players. Solely by their technical skill?
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just don’t let that guy get near a vocal mic.

i’d rather hear rosie and whoopie belt out a duet of the chinese national anthem than uli’s barney the dinosaur-esque crooning of hellcat or cast away your chains

 
I love all things Scorpions but I moved to Germany in 85', right as Love at First Sting was exploding and then went back and visited the catalog. Their songs just hit me in a certain way and great memories.

Some of the best Uli moments are Sails of Chiron, "Pictured Life", and "Dark Lady". Just like Cheap Trick though, gotta listen to the live version. Tokyo Tapes is a great live album.
 
Those guys from Hannover have a similar vibrato...as in they speak the same dialect.
Add to that Jochen (Zeno) Roth...Ulis brother, and Helge Engelke (who mixed Ulis stuff). The ladder has Uli type vibrato and crazy chops.





 
degenaro said:
Those guys from Hannover have a similar vibrato...as in they speak the same dialect.
Add to that Jochen (Zeno) Roth...Ulis brother, and Helge Engelke (who mixed Ulis stuff). The ladder has Uli type vibrato and crazy chops.





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That Zeno song is a great song and a killer solo. I'm listening to that record now and it's killer stuff. But the production (or maybe the mastering) of the Youtube version doesn't do it justice.
 
SpiderWars said:
That Zeno song is a great song and a killer solo. I'm listening to that record now and it's killer stuff. But the production (or maybe the mastering) of the Youtube version doesn't do it justice.
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Yeah I had the vinyl when it came out and it was killer sounding.
 
I mean think about them coming from Germany and getting as big as they are. They really were able to capture the feeling of what Rock and Roll is about and lived it. Their lyrics and riffs are awesome. I mean listen to the song "Dynamite" some time. It is tons of sexual innuendo.

I saw them on the Crazy World tour and they put on one hell of a show. I saw them with Great White opening and they sounded phenomenal. Trixter opened first and were ok. I rode to the show in my buddy's car and their was a huge hole in the floor in the back seat area. Scary as shit watching the road underneath us while holding our feet up, lol.
 
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