Armegeddon

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So.....I went to my local GC and tapped into an Armegeddon and all I have to say is wow!!!!!!! I know that the purist out there will say, "It's made in China" it will eventually fail. With that said, I have scoured the forum here and saw a lot on the issues with some of the Egnatger lines (seems to be the early models). I would like to hear from the Armegeddon owners out there and let me know your experience with the amp. Good? bad? whatever just is there really any issues. Just to note, I never plan for failure but like most musicians I cannot afford to spend $ and have it go wrong.

I thank you in advance for your answers. As we say :rock: on!!!!!!!
 
I loved Egnaters Mod USA series very cool .
I don't want to get in to the MIC debate but I will say all over the net there are tons of Failure reports and not just tubes ,Transformers etc .plus also some horrendous customer service stories.
As a gigging musician and based on your comment about not being able to afford the time and money if it goes wrong ,I in good faith could not recommend this amp.

I would save your pennies at $1699 plus tax you could get a Fryette ,some Soldanos , A Bogner even on used market .
For me $1699 is too much for offshore product
 
gtr31":3lw8a91b said:
I loved Egnaters Mod USA series very cool .
I don't want to get in to the MIC debate but I will say all over the net there are tons of Failure reports and not just tubes ,Transformers etc .plus also some horrendous customer service stories.
As a gigging musician and based on your comment about not being able to afford the time and money if it goes wrong ,I in good faith could not recommend this amp.

I would save your pennies at $1699 plus tax you could get a Fryette ,some Soldanos , A Bogner even on used market .
For me $1699 is too much for offshore product
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I really have to agree. As good as I'm sure the high gain sounds on the Armageddon (and cool having the ISP built in), I just couldn't ever pay that kind of money for any MIC amp, especially when the list of Egnater MIC QC issues is long.

However, I love Bruce's modular series. I've owned several of them, and wouldn't hesitate to buy another.
 
I actually owned a seminar head that I got off eBay, great tones and quite reliable it was just a one trick pony. I know Egnater has acknowledged issues at the point of going into production with it's amps but like when a new model of a car is introduced you wait a year for the bugs and recalls to be flushed out.

It just pains me to read these close to horror stories on fuses blowing, output transformers going, amps being repaired and then a month later???? Same issues. Egnater may see this and feel it is just more fodder and the sales will continue and the issues will not outweigh the net gain on the sales of new amps. I have never as much as blew a fart in the direction of Egnater and quite honestly could not pick one of those guys out of a lineup. All I can deal with is what I have read/heard about Bruce and his product, I also hear that Bruce is a very stand up person and overall good human being. I cannot see him standing on the sidelines and remaining idol with these issues.

I really want to be a customer but man........Not sure about this one. Peace!
 
I bought the Armageddon as it has some kiler features but after a week with it realized I had a lot of better options for the price tag. I took the amp back to GC after I started getting volume drops in 60 watt mode. Probably a tube but I was relieved to have a refund on this. I ordered a new Splawn QR the same day.
 
Probably a tube but if it isn't then you do the dance.
If GC doesn't have any in stock you have to wait or they try to fix it under warranty.
For 1699 you dont need that hassle .

Splawn I have never heard so much as even tube failures
Good call
 
Got quite a few responses on the why not to buy the head.....would still like to hear from any owners out there.
 
I could not resist so I bought the Armageddon. (28 days later) I just took it back today the GC i bought it from. I figured what the hell, I have 30 days to live with it. What a disappointment :doh: . I would list the issues but why waste space. Great tone but man ZERO for consistancy. Like you Stompbox, I have an 2012 Quickrod coming in Thursday. To note, I did buy the Armageddon cab and LOVE it.

Thanks to all that chimmed in on this topic. Happy Holidays.
 
1meanplexi":2ky1suji said:
I could not resist so I bought the Armageddon. (28 days later) I just took it back today the GC i bought it from. I figured what the hell, I have 30 days to live with it. What a disappointment :doh: . I would list the issues but why waste space. Great tone but man ZERO for consistancy. Like you Stompbox, I have an 2012 Quickrod coming in Thursday. To note, I did buy the Armageddon cab and LOVE it.

Thanks to all that chimmed in on this topic. Happy Holidays.
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What were the main issues - I too was tempted, I've already got a Mod50 and I find Bruce pretty helpful and responsive on the US built stuff!

That said I've never owned any of the MIC amps either.

Thanks!
 
I would really like to know what the issues are with the Armageddon. If you don't want to "list them all" here, please email me at begnater@aol.com. I thought we covered just about every possible scenario with the very comprehensive loop. Just4Dave, what was the issue with the loop? I assume many of you think I am just cashing in on this whole Chinese thing and don't really give a shit.....but maybe to your surprise, I do care and and am forever trying to improve. It doesn't help, and is in fact a little hurtful, when you say vague things like it sucked or had so many issues I don't want to bother to write them down. If you don't want to air them publicly, I would very much appreciate if you would tell me what your disappointment was so maybe I can address those issues.
Thanks
Bruce
begnater@aol.com
 
I simply lost interest. Played it at NAMM 2010 and it slayed--couldn't wait to buy one. Fast forward 1 1/2 years and nothing. I think MF had release listed as 1-2012. Don't know if that date was firm as I gave up.
 
racerevlon":27eht4nh said:
I simply lost interest. Played it at NAMM 2010 and it slayed--couldn't wait to buy one. Fast forward 1 1/2 years and nothing. I think MF had release listed as 1-2012. Don't know if that date was firm as I gave up.
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I agree that the major delay in availability hurt this amp. Obviously this wasn't planned by Bruce. I'm not sure what the problems were in getting production ramped up on the amp, but the amp business moves fast. You have to whet the amp-buying public's appetite in advance of the gear shipping, so word of mouth can work in your favor. But wait too long, and people have forgotten about 'the sizzle' of this particular amp.

There are always new amps coming out.
 
I understand and agree with how delays will hurt a new product. That was clearly what happened with both the Armageddon and Vengeance, and I am paying the price for that. It is unfortunate because I really feel they are both great amps with outstanding features but we took too long to release them. What I would like to understand better are the vague comments about any products, not just Egnater, that don't at all clarify what sort of issues were found. I can't address issues and improve without "constructive" criticism. Comments like "the loop sucks" (sorry J42Dave) don't really help. When you guys/girls find something that appears to be a problem, especially if it causes you to sell it right away, it would be great if you could tell me. I really do want to know.
Bruce
begnater@aol.com
 
Bruce I love a lot of the ideas and the modular concept you invented .

This is NOT meant to be hurtful It probably isn't your fault there are only so many hours in a day and you can't be blamed for all .

IMO the Quality of the build ,Qc .prts is just not that good on the overseas stuff .A lot the Egnater disciples of the past have noticed and have changed companies

Again , not an attack ,But look at the first page of your Forum .
Transformer issue in Tourmsters, Transformer issue in Renegade. buzz hum ,reverb not working ,bad fx loop.
clean channel distortion .Channel volume drops ,Fuse issues tone pot issues.
When your first page of the forum is more about failures, compound that with bad customer service it is hard to want to consider these specific models.

Now go to the Splawn Forum ,The Bogner forum ,The Diezel . Most people are happy with the products and their first page may have a few questions but it is not full of failures posts.

To gigging pros this is a HUGE concern as in a lot of cases the GC guys don't know whats going on in the product so it has to come back to Egnater.
Now the choice is have a failing amp that I paid $1699 for or pay 1800 for a made in USA Splawn that performs flawlessly ,sounds great and I can get hold of The man himself on the phone. Thats tough competition.

For the Record I don't think you are just out there making crap to get rich .I believe that your products are designed with care.
But would you rather be in the company of Bogner.Splawn or grouped together with Crate ,Peavey,Line6.

I just think its sad when I think of what the Egnater reputation was a few years back
 
Since I started this post I figured it only fair to reply. Bruce, it broke my heart to take that amp back. I was in LOVE with that thing. Here is the list of issues I had with Armageddon.

1 - Fan stopped working. Both heads.
2 - Volume spikes - On the first one I bought from GC and then after returning that one.....second one, same issue.
3- Loop - volume spikes when engaging it. Had to always fu#k with it. I followed the manual to the T.
4 - Not touching one dial from the next - I had to ALWAYS adjust the EQ. One time the bass seemed cranked the next treble.
5 - The gain went from this incredible crush your skull to a plexi style 50% at best. I had to push the shit out of the front end with an overdrive.
6 - I had to raise the white flag :aww: !

I play LP customs, use Mogammi cords, GL patch cables. I checked all of them with a mulit meter thinking one of these might be the culprit. Not so, I wish it was a cord and not the head.

No one wishes more than me that I could have been a lifetime customer. I really felt I found the excalibur of guitar heads. In the end....no. I go on tour in 2 months and have to have the confidence night after night that my rig is on. I am sure you understand. I thank you for replying to this post.
 
I didn't buy one for two of the reasons cited above:

Getting loop volume consistent was just too cumbersome.

Not touching any dials, the sound would always fluctuate, almost like the vibration of the cab was causing the knobs to move, including the volume. I'd start getting increasingly louder, then realize the volume knob was not where I left it.
 
It was weird.....I asked my bass player if he messed with it (he plays guitar too) and no. It was that dramatic. Gremlins :D !
 
This is the kind of information I need from you guys. Without this, I can't know what the problems really are and can't address them. Please understand I am a normal nice guy and just want everyone to be happy. As silly as that sounds, it is the truth. Please help me to do that.
Thanks! !
 
bruce egnater":29mpslen said:
This is the kind of information I need from you guys. Without this, I can't know what the problems really are and can't address them. Please understand I am a normal nice guy and just want everyone to be happy. As silly as that sounds, it is the truth. Please help me to do that.
Thanks! !
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This was indeed the impression I got when we met at NAMM. Send me one to demo when the bugs get worked out and I'll be happy. :lol: :LOL:
 
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