BEST EVENTIDE RACKMOUNT FOR THE GUITAR?

[Little B]

Hi, folks,Im looking to purchase the eventide ultra harmonizer-....-what is thee best one for guitar, as I see some of these models look better suited for the soundboard or studio?....(price not an isssue)

 

[glpg80]

if midi lag is a problem, then the H7600 or H8000 units are the only ones to consider. every other model will have midi lag.

IMHO i wouldnt use all of the routing capabilities of the 8 series, the 7 would be enough for most rigs but Zach uses a H8000FW (sp?) model i believe.

 

[Little B]

how much lag w/ 4000s?

 

[Ancient Alien]

The GTR4000 and Eclipse have no lag at all when set up right.
Most of the 3000 series are useless as far as switching, as are many of their other units for guitar.
The trick is to write a master preset with everything you will ever use.
Then copy that preset to another and remove what you will not use.
For example:
Write a master preset with Harmony, Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, OD, etc etc etc....
After you copy that preset to another location, simply turn off what you are not using.
This causes the processor to think it is just turning a tiny little parameter on and off and there is absolutely zero lag when changing patches.
I've used both live with absolutely no lag at all even with the most extreme effects on.

 

[glpg80]

The GTR4000 and Eclipse have no lag at all when set up right.
Most of the 3000 series are useless as far as switching, as are many of their other units for guitar.
The trick is to write a master preset with everything you will ever use.
Then copy that preset to another and remove what you will not use.
For example:
Write a master preset with Harmony, Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, OD, etc etc etc....
After you copy that preset to another location, simply turn off what you are not using.
This causes the processor to think it is just turning a tiny little parameter on and off and there is absolutely zero lag when changing patches.
I've used both live with absolutely no lag at all even with the most extreme effects on.

damn thats ingenious

does that work with all effects processors or just eventides?

 

[Little B]

ive heard of doing that before w/ some other rackmount unit, but never tried it w/ anything....Id love to add the eventide's harmonizing to my rig, but want the best unit for that,guitar-wise- whatever model it is...good info guys,,keep it comin!

 

[Ancient Alien]

The GTR4000 and Eclipse have no lag at all when set up right.
Most of the 3000 series are useless as far as switching, as are many of their other units for guitar.
The trick is to write a master preset with everything you will ever use.
Then copy that preset to another and remove what you will not use.
For example:
Write a master preset with Harmony, Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, OD, etc etc etc....
After you copy that preset to another location, simply turn off what you are not using.
This causes the processor to think it is just turning a tiny little parameter on and off and there is absolutely zero lag when changing patches.
I've used both live with absolutely no lag at all even with the most extreme effects on.

damn thats ingenious

does that work with all effects processors or just eventides?

Works on The G Force and Lexicon units too

 

[glpg80]

The GTR4000 and Eclipse have no lag at all when set up right.
Most of the 3000 series are useless as far as switching, as are many of their other units for guitar.
The trick is to write a master preset with everything you will ever use.
Then copy that preset to another and remove what you will not use.
For example:
Write a master preset with Harmony, Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, OD, etc etc etc....
After you copy that preset to another location, simply turn off what you are not using.
This causes the processor to think it is just turning a tiny little parameter on and off and there is absolutely zero lag when changing patches.
I've used both live with absolutely no lag at all even with the most extreme effects on.

damn thats ingenious

does that work with all effects processors or just eventides?

Works on The G Force and Lexicon units too

you just saved me $800

 

[Ancient Alien]

The GTR4000 and Eclipse have no lag at all when set up right.
Most of the 3000 series are useless as far as switching, as are many of their other units for guitar.
The trick is to write a master preset with everything you will ever use.
Then copy that preset to another and remove what you will not use.
For example:
Write a master preset with Harmony, Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, OD, etc etc etc....
After you copy that preset to another location, simply turn off what you are not using.
This causes the processor to think it is just turning a tiny little parameter on and off and there is absolutely zero lag when changing patches.
I've used both live with absolutely no lag at all even with the most extreme effects on.

damn thats ingenious

does that work with all effects processors or just eventides?

Works on The G Force and Lexicon units too

you just saved me $800

 

[glpg80]

to the OP - if that is the case, i would use the DSP7000 if you can find one. that was my personal favorite eventide unit back when i was going to use one.

second would be a H7600.

overall though i decided to use (instead of eventides) G-forces - but for harmonies those are the two i would use.

 

[Little B]

Ill have to look into those 7000 series...........

 

[Zachman]

Hi, folks,Im looking to purchase the eventide ultra harmonizer-....-what is thee best one for guitar, as I see some of these models look better suited for the soundboard or studio?....(price not an isssue)

Best= H8000FW with it's routing options, Virtual rack presets, and customizable Scales for the Harmonies, and the thing just sounds KILLER:

H8000FW Demo:

http://www.eventide.com/Home/Eventide/AudioDivision/Products/Harmonizers/H8000FWAudio.aspx

8/11/2010 - Windows 7 and Snow Leopard supported; TimeFactor and ModFactor effects and presets added

Further extending the compatibility of its flagship multi-channel Ultra-Harmonizer® processor, Eventide today announced V5.5 software upgrade for the H8000FW has been released to production. V5.5 is a free download for registered H8000FW users at eventide.com. V5.5 adds Windows 7 and Snow Leopard compatibility, some system enhancements, and adds all of the TimeFactor and ModFactor effects and presets to the already abundant 1,800 programs resident in the H8000FW.



Also available on the Eventide website, at no charge for registered users, are new updated H8000FW signal routing programs for Mac and PC.

The culmination of nearly forty years of crafting groundbreaking effects, the H8000FW Ultra-Harmonizer is the most powerful Eventide processor ever. The H8000FW carries forward Eventide’s best programs, including 5.1 reverb and effects up to 96 kHz. The H8000FW can process up to eight channels of 24-bit 96 kHz with one cable via FireWire. The H8000FW features AES/EBU, ADAT, and S/PDIF digital I/O as well four channels of analog I/O.
CONNECTIONS GALORE- The ultimate I/O for your computer

The H8000FW offers four channels of pristine analog I/O combined with eight channels of AES/EBU, ADAT, and S/PDIF I/O. New FireWire I/O now allows direct connection to your Mac or PC so you can directly patch 24-bit audio to and from the eight inputs and outputs.

The analog inputs feature either guitar-friendly ¼” hi impedance input jacks or XLRs. The H8000FW also offers remotely switchable true bypass.
DIGITAL EFFECTS WORKSTATION- Create your own algorithms

With the H8000FW you will run out of ideas before you run out of DSP power. With our catalog of over 230 effects modules, you can create effects never before thought of either from the front panel or using the supplied development tools for PC or OS X. Whether creating your own unique signature effect or dialing up one of our studio standard effects from the plethora of preset-algorithms, you will never run out of creative possibilities.
POST-PRODUCTION AND BROADCAST ESSENTIALS- The complex made simple

The H8000FW is chock full of our best post-production effects, including: CB Radio, Cellular Phone, Long Distance, Random Dialer, Off Hook!, Real Dialer, Megaphone, Shortwave Radio, Traffic Report, Radio, Intercom, Public Address, Fries With That?, Office Intercom, Sound Truck, Talking Dashboard, Clock Radio, Bullhorn, Airplane Background, Jet Flybys, TankAttack, Mortar Shells, Stormwatch, TV in Next Room, Boom Box, to name a bunch. ..

Also included are templates for eight precision delays for multichannel video post applications, and tools specifically designed to facilitate 5.1 frame rate conversion and its associated problem of pitch correction, along with a dedicated channel for time code delay.
5.1 REVERB AND EFFECTS EXTRAORDINAIRE

The H8000FW is packed with 5.1 halls, chambers, rooms, booths, ambient spaces, and plates, as well as a full tool kit of multichannel effects. Included are eight individually adjustable sets of straight delays, modulated delays, ribbon delays, reverse delays, panning delays, diatonic shifters, flangers, EQs, phasers, tremelos, and filters.
AND NOW MIDI VIRTUAL RACKS- Stacked effects with instant program change

The H8000FW offers twenty MIDI Virtual Rack preset-algorithms, featuring up to five full-blown effect processors ganged together. Each preset offers ten different tweaks which can be programmed, stored, and controlled in real time through MIDI. Up to forty-five different parameters can be controlled with one MIDI control message. Individually optimized for guitar, vocals, or percussion and designed with performance in mind. Single effects blocks are also offered as separated presets so that effect chains can be assembled using VSIG.
OODLES OF SAMPLE/DELAY MEMORY

The H8000FW offers 174 seconds of mono or 87 seconds of stereo, leaving you plenty of time for looping and flying in choruses. It can be used in conjunction with the arsenal of effects. The H8000 offers fast, precise triggering.
THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT- 8 channels of time compression/expansion

Eventide’s Timesqueeze® algorithm has been proven in the demanding arena of broadcast production. If you need to time compress or expand your 5.1 audio for an HD broadcast, our new phase-locked 8 channel Timesqueeze is fast, simple, and sounds great.
CONTROL FREAK?

The H8000FW offers everything you need to control its parameters and functions from a remote. If you are on stage, the H8000FW offers full MIDI control or analog control. ¼” inch TRS jacks accept up to two external foot pedals, up to six external foot switches, or a combination. If you are on the mixing stage, or behind the console, Eventide’s EVE/NET™ remote brings all the control and graphics display of the front panel, along with eight continuous controllers, to the sweet spot of your choice.
ULTRASHIFTER™ THE APEX OF PITCH MANIPULATION

The H8000FW incorporates Eventide’s most advanced formant-maintaining pitch shifter optimized for the human voice. The UltraShifter’s real-time adaptive resynthesis allows for unmatched modification of vocal timbre. So, if you are changing gender or going for something completely bizarre, we’ve got you covered

 

[lame guitarist]

Shit man that sounds pretty complex! The manual for that thing must be the size of a phone directory

 

[Zachman]

Shit man that sounds pretty complex! The manual for that thing must be the size of a phone directory

The H8000 has (3) manuals. It's a pretty deep unit, but they are written such that you have the get up and running section, and the rest is setup as reference material, so when you want to do specialized things, you can know where to look. The Eventide stuff took a bit of getting used to and there definitely is a learning curve with them, but they've been in their own league for over 20 years for a reason.

A. User Manual 207 pgs
B. Preset Manual (Over 1800 presets) 128 pgs
C. Manual for the Computer interface Programming 99 pgs

These always crack me up. My buddy playing through my rig for the 1st time, and his 1st time hearing a w/d/w rig. His expressions say it all. The video isn't in stereo or anything, but he was tripping out that day:

At 4:40 He starts with some weirder algorithms:

Another guitar geek friend jamming through the w/d/w rig for the 1st time-- Not really familiar with the sounds but having fun experimenting.