Blueface VH4 #970054 arrives but I have questions...

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I will have pics up shortly just as soon as I swap batteries on my camera...

It arrived today and its a VH4 970054. The seller included new Mesa 6L6 STR440 tubes with it.

Here are a few questions I have.

1. What type of tubes did these Blueface amps orignally come with in 97?

2. Since I am a fanboy what tubes does Adam Jones have in his Blueface.

3. What is the difference between Blueface and the Silverface? I heard the Blueface has a few more preamp tubes.

4. Looks like I am missing a few screws from the back panel can I get replacement screws from Diezel so I have the correct looking ones? Looks like another small rubber piece is missing let me double check after I upload pics...

5. If I get another Diezel should I get another Silver VH4 or should I get the VH4S? The reason I ask is if I get another VH4 and run them at the same time with my blueface then I would not need the VH4S model correct? I am not to famliar with what VH4S does over the VH4 since I am amp ignorant always was a guitar whore.
 
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Before someone asks a teaser of the guitars on the rack.

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If I was going to get a other one I would go for a Herbert.
..... maybe look for a non master Marshall ?
 
EXPcustom":1wnagmvz said:
I will have pics up shortly just as soon as I swap batteries on my camera...

It arrived today and its a VH4 970054. The seller included new Mesa 6L6 STR440 tubes with it.

Here are a few questions I have.

1. What type of tubes did these Blueface amps orignally come with in 97?

2. Since I am a fanboy what tubes does Adam Jones have in his Blueface.

3. What is the difference between Blueface and the Silverface? I heard the Blueface has a few more preamp tubes.

4. Looks like I am missing a few screws from the back panel can I get replacement screws from Diezel so I have the correct looking ones? Looks like another small rubber piece is missing let me double check after I upload pics...

5. If I get another Diezel should I get another Silver VH4 or should I get the VH4S? The reason I ask is if I get another VH4 and run them at the same time with my blueface then I would not need the VH4S model correct? I am not to famliar with what VH4S does over the VH4 since I am amp ignorant always was a guitar whore.

AJ's VH4 has 34's.

SK
 
stephen sawall":iw0xddvp said:
If I was going to get a other one I would go for a Herbert.
..... maybe look for a non master Marshall ?

Thats what I will be looking for next. I already have a bunch of rack gear including a Rackmount rectifier so I will be going for another head and the Marshall Superbass is the next logical choice.

I already have all the Metallica tonez in my rack now I just need to finish the Jonez Tonez. :lol: :LOL: :rock:
 
EXPcustom":dao2qsim said:
stephen sawall":dao2qsim said:
If I was going to get a other one I would go for a Herbert.
..... maybe look for a non master Marshall ?

Thats what I will be looking for next. I already have a bunch of rack gear including a Rackmount rectifier so I will be going for another head and the Marshall Superbass is the next logical choice.

I already have all the Metallica tonez in my rack now I just need to finish the Jonez Tonez. :lol: :LOL: :rock:


Jonez Tonez....I thought you meant Jonas as in Brothers :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

For AJ, get on Channel 3, gain about 2:00, volume around 9:00, bass at 12, treble around 2:00 and mids about 10:00. Master to your liking, presence and bottom around 2:00. 500ms delay with a couple repeats in front of the amp and let Lateralus ring. A little flange thrown in from time to time and you are there. Use two cabs.

Steve
 
steve_k":20jxrbr3 said:
EXPcustom":20jxrbr3 said:
stephen sawall":20jxrbr3 said:
If I was going to get a other one I would go for a Herbert.
..... maybe look for a non master Marshall ?

Thats what I will be looking for next. I already have a bunch of rack gear including a Rackmount rectifier so I will be going for another head and the Marshall Superbass is the next logical choice.

I already have all the Metallica tonez in my rack now I just need to finish the Jonez Tonez. :lol: :LOL: :rock:


Jonez Tonez....I thought you meant Jonas as in Brothers :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

For AJ, get on Channel 3, gain about 2:00, volume around 9:00, bass at 12, treble around 2:00 and mids about 10:00. Master to your liking, presence and bottom around 2:00. 500ms delay with a couple repeats in front of the amp and let Lateralus ring. A little flange thrown in from time to time and you are there. Use two cabs.

Steve


I have seen close up pictures of AJ's rig. He dimes his mids. As in all the way up. I well try to find the photos again.

If you are going to try and find a Super Bass I would go check out a THD Flexi. I have owned many old Marshall's (great amps when set up right). I have a THD ~ Flexi, Bivalve, Plexi. The Plexi gets closest to the sound. But they are hard to find and you can get a lot of the classic amp sounds from the Flexi. In many ways I feel the Flexi is a much better amp than the classic amps.

The problem with the Old Marshall's is they are old, not built near as good as the THD stuff. Often they have been mod (more bad than good). Every Marshall sounds very different. Most of the old Marshall's do not not sound that great to me. I have played over a 100. If you find a good one they are killer.

Believe me I went down this road and spent a lot of money back around 2000 or so. With the right tubes in the Flexi and set up right it does the English crunch sound as good as any of the old amps (Hiwatt, Orange, Marshall, etc.) They can be found petty cheap used sometimes. I would recommend JJ KT77 and Tung Sol in the preamp for these kind of sounds.

This is a comparison of a Flexi 50 to a JMP I did.
It would be similar comparing it to a lot of amps..... including all the old Marshall's.

You well want a Hot Plate or what you like to use with these amps.
We are talking about power amp distortion here.

The Flexi has more bottom and low mids if you want, the Marshall's sound kind of thin side by side with the THD.

The mid range on the two are different.
Both sound good in a mix/live.

There is way more dynamics and control with your right hand with the Flexi.
The Marshall well be more compressed with a equal range of gain.
The Flexi may be the most dynamic amp made for guitar.

The Flexi has more gain on tap as it does have a boost.
You can get more gain than a single channel 800 with the boost on the Flexi.

You can put a lot of different tubes pre/power in the Flexi.
Without much time spent doing it.

The clean sound in my ears has a lot more of that old Fender tone, feel.
You can back off the volume on the guitar down to clean and does this with every guitar I have put into it.
With a Marshall if you back off too much it just gets thin and weak.

The tone controls on the Flexi have a huge range and sounds good with a lot of range.
Many voices that all work very well.

There are more voice options with the THD.

Input - Hi/Lo
Bright - on/off
Boost - on/off
50w/20w
Master - on/off

These are all tools I use.

You can get in the ball park of many English tones, even the Vox tones.
I did say ball park. That is with the right pre/power tubes.

The harmonics that come from the Flexi are un-real.
I have only heard a few amps that come close.

The THD is very well built and I run it full blast without thinking twice about it if I want that tone / gain/ feel.

Good luck finding a Marshall that does not have some bad mod done to it.
If you don't know THD stands by there amps.

My father fixed amps on the side when I was a kid (70's,early 80's).
I have played thru a lot of the classic amps.
The harmonics, punch, attack envelope, tone range and most of all the way it reacts to my right hand.
The dynamics are key to the way I play.
I feel the Flexi is equal or better than anything else I have played on for a lot of things.
The Flexi is my favorite amp. Has been for about five years.

The Marshall sounds like a Marshall and I love that sound.
But I do not miss the ones I have had that much, even my JMP
and Super Lead.
The Flexi just does a lot more.

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=489175

http://www.thdelectronics.com/product_page_flexi50.html.

Sorry about the OT.
But I know a few of us have been chasing the AJ sound and this is where it brought me.

..... and no I am not a member of the Jonas Brothers
 
stephen sawall":yj1ouxpq said:
This guy probly does the best video for learning the songs ....

https://www.youtube.com/user/opiateofthemasses

I believe this video shows very close to how AJ sets up his amp ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYUIlPZ5 ... annel_page

Thanks for all the info on the amps. :thumbsup:

I can tell you all about guitars, necks, woods etc but am ignorant when it comes to amps. What I personally have been doing is collecting gear like preamps and amps of sounds I like from my recordings and building my "Tone Library" I like the feeling of having to be able to replicate a tone as closely as possible from any recording I like. I got my Bogner Fish and my Racktifier to be able to get my favorite AIC and Metallica tonez. Jonez tonez was next then the Jonas Tonez. :lol: :LOL:

I am a member over at Tooltabs and they really get into it over there. There is a bunch of good info as well.

I love to learn to play that stuff myself but the other guys I jam with agreed we wont do any covers except maybe a Misfits song or two. Keeping the no covers policy has allowed us as a "band" to maintain a unique sound which is a good thing, maybe.

Most of my amps are newer that is why I want to get a later 70's Superbass head, since they still are not to expensive and I can mod without feeling bad. Also How do I know which hotplate to buy from THD? I remember my guitar teacher back in the 90's had a Marshall Powerbreak that worked really well. Also would running a compressor help? I dont know much about compressors but I scored a DBX 1074 for around 200 bucks a while ago.

The other thing I am wondering about.

What is difference between Blueface and the Silver VH4? Is it true the Blueface has more preamp tubes?
 
I have a blue (16ohm). It sounds good for 16 and 8.

The guys at THD are very good. Call or Email them. Tell them what cabs and heads you have. They well get you there. I use mine all the time with all (about a dozen) the amps I have.

There is a link on the THD web page for the manual.
I do not know if the info is there or not ? I think it is.

http://www.thdelectronics.com/product_p ... plate.html

http://www.thdelectronics.com/pdf/HP%20 ... 060405.pdf

The THD is much, much better than the Marshall Power Break.

I have been in I do not know how many original and cover bands at this time of life.

The Fish should get you very close to the sounds of the old Marshall's. What do you use for a power amp with it ?

The old Marshall stuff sounds so different from amp to amp. I would think it would be easier to get it with your Fish than a old Marshall.
Just try to get the Opiate sounds (just the Marshall) with it.

I like a compressor for some cleans / fast country / funk.
It is also good for extra sustain with lead sounds.

I do not use them for much else.
 
stephen sawall":2erudazp said:
steve_k":2erudazp said:
EXPcustom":2erudazp said:
stephen sawall":2erudazp said:
If I was going to get a other one I would go for a Herbert.
..... maybe look for a non master Marshall ?

Thats what I will be looking for next. I already have a bunch of rack gear including a Rackmount rectifier so I will be going for another head and the Marshall Superbass is the next logical choice.

I already have all the Metallica tonez in my rack now I just need to finish the Jonez Tonez. :lol: :LOL: :rock:


Jonez Tonez....I thought you meant Jonas as in Brothers :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

For AJ, get on Channel 3, gain about 2:00, volume around 9:00, bass at 12, treble around 2:00 and mids about 10:00. Master to your liking, presence and bottom around 2:00. 500ms delay with a couple repeats in front of the amp and let Lateralus ring. A little flange thrown in from time to time and you are there. Use two cabs.

Steve


I have seen close up pictures of AJ's rig. He dimes his mids. As in all the way up. I well try to find the photos again.

Sorry about the OT.
But I know a few of us have been chasing the AJ sound and this is where it brought me.
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great post... you actually made me late to class reading all of that! :thumbsup:
There was actually a THD Flexi and the matching 2x12 cab for sale locally here, just popped up after I snapped up the super bass (no regrets at all though). was at a very good price too, i think he was having some $$ problems.
 
stephen sawall":362uhga0 said:
I have a blue (16ohm). It sounds good for 16 and 8.

The guys at THD are very good. Call or Email them. Tell them what cabs and heads you have. They well get you there. I use mine all the time with all (about a dozen) the amps I have.

There is a link on the THD web page for the manual.
I do not know if the info is there or not ? I think it is.

http://www.thdelectronics.com/product_p ... plate.html

http://www.thdelectronics.com/pdf/HP%20 ... 060405.pdf

The THD is much, much better than the Marshall Power Break.

I have been in I do not know how many original and cover bands at this time of life.

The Fish should get you very close to the sounds of the old Marshall's. What do you use for a power amp with it ?

The old Marshall stuff sounds so different from amp to amp. I would think it would be easier to get it with your Fish than a old Marshall.
Just try to get the Opiate sounds (just the Marshall) with it.

I like a compressor for some cleans / fast country / funk.
It is also good for extra sustain with lead sounds.

I do not use them for much else.

I use a strategy 400 for the poweramp. Actually here is a pic of my rack so you can see all my preamps I collected over the years. I am going to send the entire thing down to Racksystems for it to be set up right. I can only get a few things to work at once and dont even have a clue how to get the Ground Control Pro setup with all those preamps.

FYI one of ADAs is a MQ1 the other is a MP1.

I do plan on purchasing a Mark IIc+ head with EQ, reverb and Simu in the future when I can afford one along with a Superbass so I can diversify my tone collection so to speak. I am looking to get the Axe FX as well.


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Happy Birthday

I well say the same thing everyone else has said to me ..... don't you think you have enough amps ? :lol: :LOL:

I have owned most of those preamp. Nice collection. :yes:
 
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