Bogner Ecstasy Help

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Not including shipping. You’ll probably pay 2500-2700 plus shipping these days.
That’s still pretty great when you consider what a brand new one sells for. I’m officially on the hunt!
 
Not including shipping. You’ll probably pay 2500-2700 plus shipping these days.
That’s still pretty great when you consider what a brand new one sells for. I’m officially on the hunt!
 
If I could capture/record the amp like Blake does it would be damn close. I set my Graphic a bit different and run the Mids in the EQ's much higher. That adds bite/gain. Sounds crazy but I was shocked when I cranked the mids( NOT THE GRAPHIC) over 2 oclock

That’s how I got some of the best tones on the Mark V!!!
 
If I could capture/record the amp like Blake does it would be damn close. I set my Graphic a bit different and run the Mids in the EQ's much higher. That adds bite/gain. Sounds crazy but I was shocked when I cranked the mids( NOT THE GRAPHIC) over 2 oclock
That is how I ran my Marks when I had one. That said, I never loved the 90w mk5 I had. Tone wise, I could get it close, although I felt it lacked some oomph. My biggest issue was more so in the feel: it was just overly compressed and mushy, even though it was tight. The best mode on that amp for me was the crunch mode, but if I am buying a Mark, I want that lead channel to be the centre piece!

Glad you are digging the mkvii; overall reviews now that it has been out have been very good and that it can hang with the old Marks very well!
 
It kicks all kinds of ass. There’s not many amps I’d take over it and the ones that can hold their own are the other amplifiers in my signature.
Very cool, and thanks for sharing the clip, I’m looking forward to tracking one of my own down
 
Look, I'm going to give you a real easy guide to the Bogner Ecstasy:

The absolute best amp in the world is the Ecstasy 20th Anniversary with 6L6s. Just accept that as fact for now OK. The 101B was like Sith Vader who ruled for 20 years or whatever, then the 20th came long like Darth Vader and became supreme commander, or something like that. Then there's the highly regarded 101A which has a magnificent sound, and the people who love it really, really love it, but they're rare. Personally, about the only thing that struck me as different was the clean channel and everything else was kind of just the same as the 101B.

If I'm not mistaken, the 101A was the primary inspiration that contributed to the development of the 20th Anniversary. Well, more recently the 3534 came along and sort of embodies the 101A but with with the 101B blue channel. Aside from having equally incredible tone, the main advantages are versatile volume levels and more accessible price point.

Now there's a brand new XTC which I don't remember the name of. I don't know much about it, haven't even seen one in person, and all I really know is it's really expensive. I can't tell you much about it.

My experience? Well, I owned all of them. I had a 101b for many years, got an incredible deal on a 101A and sold it like an idiot, bought a 20th Anniversary on credit so ended up selling it to pay off the debt, got another 101b, but eventually sold it and have been using the first 3534 shipped to Guitar Center since. So I have travelled the XTC road and never found my way off of it. They're the most incredible sounding and feeling amps I've ever played.

You can't go wrong with any version so don't be afraid to take a chance on any of them. I know a guy who has like a 16 year old 101B, still all stock and unmodified, never needed any kind of service or repair, and he still uses it all the time. They're seriously that good.

Quick note on the 20th Anniversary: there are some who swear it's 'better' with EL34s but I have played both and that's simply not true. In fact, Bogner designed it specifically around 6L6s. Honestly, I almost got conned by the conviction of those EL34 dudes but when I spent a few weeks playing one, it just sounded like something was missing. It was like going home to an perfectly identical house but knowing it's not the house you left to work from in the morning. Seriously though, if you're like an EL34 or nothing guy then you'll like it better with EL34s. Personally, it's best with 6L6s.

I've spoken a little in jest and hyperbole so take what I said lightly in that regard. However, there are a few things I think kind of underlines each version:

The 101B's blue channel is unbeatable

The 101A's clean channel is stunning

The 20th's red channel is what dreams are made of, but it also takes the cleans of the 101A and blue channel of the 101B and kicks them up a little notch

The 3534 is like 101A cleans + 101B blue channel + 20th red channel. It's smaller and has only 2 EL34s, but has a full low end and lots of punch.

The one thing you might want to look into is the effects loop. Maybe this is just me but Bogner FX loops can be very picky and may need a little effort to get right. I've owned the GF90, Metropolis, Duende, Uberschall Rev B, and the aforementioned Ecstasies, and in my experience, the FX loop needs quality cables and some volume also. I don't think they're particularly great at low volume. I once called Bogner about this, spent days trying to figure out what the problem was, I think the guy's name was Charlie, and he said you need to use very high quality cables. In fact, I used to use my good quality cables for instrument and speakers, but wasn't very discerning about FX cables, so I replaced all my FX cables, patch cables, and got a high quality power source for my pedalboard. This cured the problem.

Well, this is my opinion from my own experience. I'm sure some may disagree on a few things but I think I gave you a decent rundown. Hope this helps man.
 
Look, I'm going to give you a real easy guide to the Bogner Ecstasy:

The absolute best amp in the world is the Ecstasy 20th Anniversary with 6L6s. Just accept that as fact for now OK. The 101B was like Sith Vader who ruled for 20 years or whatever, then the 20th came long like Darth Vader and became supreme commander, or something like that. Then there's the highly regarded 101A which has a magnificent sound, and the people who love it really, really love it, but they're rare. Personally, about the only thing that struck me as different was the clean channel and everything else was kind of just the same as the 101B.

If I'm not mistaken, the 101A was the primary inspiration that contributed to the development of the 20th Anniversary. Well, more recently the 3534 came along and sort of embodies the 101A but with with the 101B blue channel. Aside from having equally incredible tone, the main advantages are versatile volume levels and more accessible price point.

Now there's a brand new XTC which I don't remember the name of. I don't know much about it, haven't even seen one in person, and all I really know is it's really expensive. I can't tell you much about it.

My experience? Well, I owned all of them. I had a 101b for many years, got an incredible deal on a 101A and sold it like an idiot, bought a 20th Anniversary on credit so ended up selling it to pay off the debt, got another 101b, but eventually sold it and have been using the first 3534 shipped to Guitar Center since. So I have travelled the XTC road and never found my way off of it. They're the most incredible sounding and feeling amps I've ever played.

You can't go wrong with any version so don't be afraid to take a chance on any of them. I know a guy who has like a 16 year old 101B, still all stock and unmodified, never needed any kind of service or repair, and he still uses it all the time. They're seriously that good.

Quick note on the 20th Anniversary: there are some who swear it's 'better' with EL34s but I have played both and that's simply not true. In fact, Bogner designed it specifically around 6L6s. Honestly, I almost got conned by the conviction of those EL34 dudes but when I spent a few weeks playing one, it just sounded like something was missing. It was like going home to an perfectly identical house but knowing it's not the house you left to work from in the morning. Seriously though, if you're like an EL34 or nothing guy then you'll like it better with EL34s. Personally, it's best with 6L6s.

I've spoken a little in jest and hyperbole so take what I said lightly in that regard. However, there are a few things I think kind of underlines each version:

The 101B's blue channel is unbeatable

The 101A's clean channel is stunning

The 20th's red channel is what dreams are made of, but it also takes the cleans of the 101A and blue channel of the 101B and kicks them up a little notch

The 3534 is like 101A cleans + 101B blue channel + 20th red channel. It's smaller and has only 2 EL34s, but has a full low end and lots of punch.

The one thing you might want to look into is the effects loop. Maybe this is just me but Bogner FX loops can be very picky and may need a little effort to get right. I've owned the GF90, Metropolis, Duende, Uberschall Rev B, and the aforementioned Ecstasies, and in my experience, the FX loop needs quality cables and some volume also. I don't think they're particularly great at low volume. I once called Bogner about this, spent days trying to figure out what the problem was, I think the guy's name was Charlie, and he said you need to use very high quality cables. In fact, I used to use my good quality cables for instrument and speakers, but wasn't very discerning about FX cables, so I replaced all my FX cables, patch cables, and got a high quality power source for my pedalboard. This cured the problem.

Well, this is my opinion from my own experience. I'm sure some may disagree on a few things but I think I gave you a decent rundown. Hope this helps man.
Massively helpful, sounds like I’m heading towards a 101B or the 20th Anniversary.

Feels like 101B will be the best bang for the buck.

Do all 101B’s come with the Mercury Magnetics hardware or is that just a 90s thing (if you know)? Much of a difference or not really?
 
I bought an XTC 20th 6L6 for about a week and a half of pretty extensive testing and comparing before I ultimately decided to return it. I still have my 101b and think it’s one of the best amps you can get.

@MistaGuitah is right about the power section. The 20th was designed around 6L6 tubes and that power section is incredible. And he’s right about the Red channel. It is a phenomenal modern high gain channel. If boosted with a low cut, it can get as aggressive and massive as any 5150 or Recto or it can get really smooth, or anywhere in between. It’s just an absolute world class high gain lead channel that’s modern and thick and crispy sounding. The clean sound is also unbelievable.

Where the XTC 20th didn't work for me though was exactly what I was hoping would be the star of the show, the Blue channel. The 101b Blue channel is just unbelievable, but the 20th’s Blue has a brittle harshness, and overall “hardness” in feel that the 101b doesn't have, and which I simply could not dial out. It’s a lot different than the 101b Blue channel, which feels effortless to play, like you sink into every note. Also, there isn’t nearly enough gain in the XTC 20th’s Blue channel either compared to the 101b.

Not everyone will agree with this but IMO, if you’re paying that kind of money for a three channel amp and one of those three channels, the one you were most excited about, is something you just don’t get along with at all, well, I couldn’t justify keeping it, even as much as I loved the Red channel.

I will say though that I did take the time to experiment and was able to hook my 101b to a dummy load and route its preamp FX send to the FX return of the 20th 6L6’s poweramp and try out all three of the 101b’s channels that way, and I think that setup produced some of, if not the greatest sounding tones I’ve ever achieved. I preferred the sound of that setup over every single sound either amp could individually produce, actually. I liked it so much that I’ve been fighting myself from emailing Jorg and asking if they will build a Pandora XTC with 6L6 tubes.
 
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Massively helpful, sounds like I’m heading towards a 101B or the 20th Anniversary.

Feels like 101B will be the best bang for the buck.

Do all 101B’s come with the Mercury Magnetics hardware or is that just a 90s thing (if you know)? Much of a difference or not really?
I don't know. I didn't own a Bogner until probably around 2006 or so. Yeah, the 101B is totally solid. However, you're likely to find a 3534 in stores these days so I'd suggest trying one out since it'll give you a real good idea of them all. In my opinion, if you can afford a 20th XTC then get one because I doubt you'd be disappointed. It's so valuable that you'd have no problem getting a 101B + cash if you decided on that route later, but it would be much harder getting a 20th for a 101B.

Lastly, listen intently to all the good videos and demos you can and try to find something you hear in each one that stands out to you. Usually, people who like certain amps appreciate some particular quality in them. Like the proverbial 101B blue channel. If you hear it and it strikes you like, "Man, what an awesome tone," then you're probably going to love it. I gave you a few common assessments particular to each version so compare what I said with what you hear in the demos. If it all adds up then you have a very good idea what to expect.
 
Massively helpful, sounds like I’m heading towards a 101B or the 20th Anniversary.

Feels like 101B will be the best bang for the buck.

Do all 101B’s come with the Mercury Magnetics hardware or is that just a 90s thing (if you know)? Much of a difference or not really?

They were only on a few during the 90’s. More aggressive sounding by far.
 
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