Bogner red into el34 shiva

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Just picked up a red today after trying all 3. It was a tough choice between the blue and the red but I wanted the extra gain! The salesmen at gc told me they were the exact same pedal just different colors, bonus points for product knowledge, or not.
I was tempted to bring my amp and guitar down there to make sure I chose the right one but I really didn't want to deal with the hassle. So I played a new les Paul studio into a fender deluxe ri. They had a nice little set up right next to their Pedal display with all the necessary cords and power. That was a nice touch.
I strung all three of them in a line. First I tried the uber which was the one I thought I was going to buy. Not impressed. The tone was there but it was very thin sounding. Didn't have the body and fullness of the other two.
The blue and red are very similar other than the red having an extra gain stage. If the blue wasn't so close to the gain I get from the shiva on its own I probably would have bought it.
Both of them respond amazingly well to guitar volume. I've spent the last two hours playing the red through my shiva with a prs dgt and I am very happy that I made the right choice. It's added four more gain channels to my rig.
Clean
Clean with amp boost
Gain
Gain with amp boost
Xtc red through clean
Xtc red w/ amp boost (this may be my fav)
Xtc boost
And finally xtc with amp and pedal boost.

I could also dial back the gain on the shiva and use the red on that channel. I wasn't super happy with the results when I tried it though. The red sounds best to my ears through a big bold clean.
The gain is a lot more open than the shiva gain. Not necessarily better but a much different flavor.

So I give it 5 stars. It is to date the best gain pedal I have played.
 
Interesting, I have never found the Shiva to take pedals well at all! It actually sounds good? I have a 20th Shiva.
After tweaking and trial and error.....I am able to get the Shiva to kill with pedals.
 
Can't wait to get your answer to my question. Interested.
 
tonedog":36qqnmfc said:
I have a 20th Shiva and it LOVES these pedals.
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Would you say in a band context, the pedals through the Bogner clean sound close to as good as the Shiva gain?

Ha, maybe because they are made by Bogner. I would love to own both some day. Wonder if I can fit one on my Pedaltrain 2 pedal board and power them all off my Voodoo Labs PP2+ and Boss TU-3 which as power to dasiy chain pedals.

Pedals I have:
Dunlop Crybaby wah
Boss TU-3
MXR phaser
MXR Analog Chorus
MXR Carbon Copy Delay
MXR Micro Flanger
ISP Decimater
Xotic EP
Pedals under consideration for current pedalboard:
Xotic BB MB
Bogner Red
 
Yes can get very close. The blue kills as does the Red.
 
I am thinking the Red is more versatile with the 20th Shiva. Did you find the Red does modern high gain better than your amp?
 
The Red is the best od/distortion pedal I've played. I've been gassing for one ever since I played one earlier this week. Like the OP, I expected to be all about the Uber but felt it missed the mark. I thought the Red was a home run, though. I didn't give the Blue a whirl because I figured it wouldn't give me the gain I wanted, but with all the good comments I've heard I'm wishing I did.
 
I have no experience with the 20th shiva. The red has a lot more gain than my 2012 el34 shiva. Really brings it to the next level. It sounds amazing. I don't know that I can say anymore to praise it. I don't spend $300 on pedals. I've never spent more than $200 and I almost always rely on my amp for gain. After fifteen minutes with the red at the store I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough. It sounded so good through the fender I was playing through I thought maybe I'll sell the shiva and get a cheaper clean channel amp but after Playing it for about four hours strait yesterday that's not going to happen.
 
These are incredible and easily worth the $300. I can't say enough about the Red and Blue.
 
Hopefully they will not only sound good through my Shiva but also my PWE and modified Dual Rectifier.
 
I am actually looking for another OD pedal for my board. I was looking at the Xotic BB MB again or the AC Comp. Do you think the Bogner Red is versatile enough it can be used as a mild OD boost or tube screamer, midrange boost? I played the Red and Blue but not with my amps.
 
These pedals sound best through a big fendery clean channel. Of all my amps the Hot Rod Deluxe and Two Rock work best with them. Substantially better than my Goldfinger and Bruno. They did sound great with the Shiva 20th too.
 
tonedog":97cpht0q said:
These pedals sound best through a big fendery clean channel. Of all my amps the Hot Rod Deluxe and Two Rock work best with them. Substantially better than my Goldfinger and Bruno. They did sound great with the Shiva 20th too.
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Yep, my 20th Shiva takes pedals like a good Fender or the Electra Dyne. My PWE Event Horizon and Mesa don't take pedals as well. With my 20th Shiva, mofidified three channel Dual Rectifier, 20th Bogner Shiva and some nice pedals, I am pretty much done buying amps for years. Oddly enough all my amps have EL34s. 6L6 tubes or 6L6 amps to me work better clean and same for KT-88 amps, better for clean and tight metal. For me, nothing beats an EL34 or E34L power tube for clean, crunch and high gain. :)

I am very happy with all the tones I have but it would be cool to run it through my Mesa's clean, Shiva's clean or PWE Event Horizon's clean. I don't really need it because I feel I have more tones than I know what to do with but maybe down the road! :)

Honestly, I have little desire to run an OD through any of my clean channels, I mostly use OD pedals or boosts on the gain channel when running low gain, then use the pedal for a solo boost. Once in a while I will run the OD through the clean but to me the best amps I have used for clean and pedals is the Mesa Boogie Electra Dyne and any Fryette, old VHT.

The Electra Dyne is an amp I hope to own some day!
 
tonedog":3soqbcai said:
I have a 20th Shiva and it LOVES these pedals.
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I agree, the 20rth Shiva takes pedals as good as any I have played and I have played plenty of Fenders, Mesa Boogie Electra Dyne, Plexis, VHT ST/50, etc.
 
I was going to pick up a used Electradyne mostly for running pedals but I realize all my amps kick ass with pedals so no need to get Electra!
 
Again.....I was tempted to buy a good amp used that works well with pedals but I have been messing with my 20th Bogner Shiva and it takes pedals so well through the Fendery clean channel. I also have a modded (BFG) 2001 Dual Rectifier that has one of the best clean channels I have played and it takes pedals so well, it is crazy! All my OD pedals sound like another channel on my amp through that clean! I might be able to save money and not have to buy an amp just to run pedals through the clean. :) Life is good!
 
Bogner red into a 20th Shiva? :dunno:

Bogner red into a Fender Twin or a VOX AC30 FTW. :yes:
 
selling a Ecstasy Red if anyone is interested, was running into BE-100 clean channel, kinda dumb as I love the gain on the BE all by itself.
 
I do find it interesting people are running these into amps that already have kick ass gain on their own.. running a red into a shiva, not sure I'd bother. I am interested in one of these for my YBA-1. I have to stack OD's to get the gain I want and not sure I like the tone.
 
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