Bogner Uber Twin Jet - Opinions?

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These things are few and far between here in Europe, so I doubt I will ever have the chance to play one! I've found one but the guy lives in another country. The price is fair I guess and it comes with new tubes. Has anyone had / played one? How do they compare / contrast to other high gain amps ? Thx!
 
If you want one of the most heavy and brutal amps ever created then yeah, go for it! Is it stock or does it have the purple clean channel mod? I prefer the stock version which leaves channel 1 with a full-on modded marshall high gain assualt. You can even get some vintage plexi style bark out of it. So many different tones you can get from it.

Channel 2 has the traditional Uber sound. A metric shit ton of bass with aggressive highs and a very unique bark. Beware though, you have to dial this amp with your ears (as you should anyway) because the eq does not respond like your traditional subtractive or active eq. Bogner fucked up the design in my opinion. Its a little hard to dial in, even with an experienced Uber user as myself.

The Rev blue and previous verisons have a presence knob that acts more as a mid shift. Common knowledge. No biggie. The twin jet however further adds upon this and changes the tone and interacts with the mid and treble in a non conventional way, leaving you continuously fiddle fucking around to rebalance everything to your liking as well as scratching your head. Once you learn the behavior it really isn't a big deal but it can be cumbersome and has turned off a lot of people from it being considered one of the all time heavy greats.
 
They aren’t worth getting imo. They sound generic, sorta like a smoother, more polished version of a multi-watt rectifier amp, which as is is worse sounding than the early 2 channel Recto’s. The first 2 revisions of the Uberschall however were something special. It’s a shame that so many of these amp makers ruin a great thing they once had and then have all these inferior later revisions (Bogner, Diezel, Boogie, Soldano, etc)
 
braintheory said:
They aren’t worth getting imo. They sound generic, sorta like a smoother, more polished version of a multi-watt rectifier amp, which as is is worse sounding than the early 2 channel Recto’s. The first 2 revisions of the Uberschall however were something special. It’s a shame that so many of these amp makers ruin a great thing they once had and then have all these inferior later revisions (Bogner, Diezel, Boogie, Soldano, etc)
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I don't get why the manufacturers don't make the amps versions that people demand most. Most players would love Mesa to make rectos like they used to along with the early ubers.
 
saxxamafone said:
I don't get why the manufacturers don't make the amps versions that people demand most. Most players would love Mesa to make rectos like they used to along with the early ubers.
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Agreed. I’ve wondered if maybe it could be components they can’t get anymore, but who knows. Especially with VH4’s, the later silverfaces sound like a joke compared to the blue ones. I don’t get it
 
They’re killer but it must be preamp tube rolled, must be dialed in with your ears and not your eyes, and they are picky about what speakers you use.

I know the TJ has something funky design wise going on with a pre tonestack EQ. I’ve developed something similar on my own. In the right hands they sound great but at the end of the day it’s a picky one trick pony.

I recommend going for an early revision XTC or earlier revision rev green uberschall personally.
 
saxxamafone said:
I don't get why the manufacturers don't make the amps versions that people demand most. Most players would love Mesa to make rectos like they used to along with the early ubers.
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Amen. I don't get it either. Half of it is ego, other half is parts scarcity/cutting costs.

As for the Uber though, from what I heard from many people, Reinhold only refuses to go back to OG specs because the plate voltage in the power section was insane and he claims no current tube on the market right now is reliable enough to handle it at the proper bias range (approx. 70%). That was a big part of the magic of the sound of the originals.

Reza claims the new Uber MKII thats going to be released will be capable of the early version tones and more. I'd would personally wait for this model to be released before jumping on any version Uber right now.
 
glpg80 said:
They’re killer but it must be preamp tube rolled, must be dialed in with your ears and not your eyes, and they are picky about what speakers you use.

I know the TJ has something funky design wise going on with a pre tonestack EQ. I’ve developed something similar on my own. In the right hands they sound great but at the end of the day it’s a picky one trick pony.

I recommend going for an early revision XTC or earlier revision rev green uberschall personally.
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Agreed - preamp tubes play a massive role in how this amp feels and ends up sounding. Furthermore, the EQ is pretty counter-intuitive, can't do it by eye, gotta be done by ear - it's got this "deductive" circuitry where increasing one parameter decreases another parameter - they all work in this weird knotted way so that they must be pulled all together when honing the tone, and not just a tweak on one knob here and there.

But when you get it right?? They're bloody nuclear. And have a very distinctive tone with incredible cut, thickness and teeth like none other. I love the TJ amps. I really think they're something special.
 
Purity said:
Amen. I don't get it either. Half of it is ego, other half is parts scarcity/cutting costs.

As for the Uber though, from what I heard from many people, Reinhold only refuses to go back to OG specs because the plate voltage in the power section was insane and he claims no current tube on the market right now is reliable enough to handle it at the proper bias range (approx. 70%). That was a big part of the magic of the sound of the originals.

Reza claims the new Uber MKII thats going to be released will be capable of the early version tones and more. I'd would personally wait for this model to be released before jumping on any version Uber right now.
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This makes sense. I’ve killed a bunch of tubes already with my Rev 1 biased close to only 20 mA, but the amp sounds cartoonishly brutal and big. The later revisions are so neutered in comparison and smaller (they don’t have the same thunderous quality). Kinda like Friedman vs a good modded Marshall or Morgan vs a good Vox. Based on the clips I really wasn’t too impressed with that newer Uber Reza demoed, but maybe it would sound better in person

Definitely an amp that needs to be dialed in very weirdly and can be picky about tubes like others said, but sadly the later versions imo just sound generic and restrained, but sounds like they physically are based on what you said (maybe from holding back with the Plate Voltage). My Megalith Beta has some overlap with my Uber also
 
I keep a rev blue in my collection and it does this cool thing . But out of all my amps it’s always been a strange one . I like it . It’s why I keep it. But ya there’s something weird I can’t pin point .
 
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