Bogner vs Engl

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I have the opportunity to trade my Engl Invader 100 for a Bogner Ubershall Twin Jet. I enjoy the tone and OPTIONS of my Engl. Just might be in the mood for soothing new. The catch is I have to Fly it home to do the trade. Ive only heard sound bits and clips on line of the Uber TJ. Any thoughts from people who have one. I enjoy the german tone of my ENGL, will I get something of the same tone through the twin Jet. And what about value of the trade, i paid $3300 CAD brand new for the Engl.
Any advise would be appreciated
Peace
 
I really like my Twin Jet with the KT88's. The gain structure is quite open sounding and articulate - great string separation for an amp that has a lot of gain. 1st channel does hotrodded JCM800 tones and the 2nd channel is just massive. Although it cleans up pretty well with the volume knob, skip if you need a dedicated clean channel.
 
I would do that trade in the blink of an eye, and I would hurry before that POS Engl shits the bed
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Even though I'm not a fan of KT88's, Bogner is far more superior to Engl in build quality and tone (subjective). Even if Engl amps have dozens of knobs and switches, the only modes that sound good are high gain, so I wouldn't really call it more versatile. Bogner amps are hard to come by in Canada since they barely have an official distributor. I would grab the opportunity to get one used.
 
I'd do it. Though I personally prefer the regular Uber over the TJ.
 
Build quality and tone quality, I'd go with the Bogner.

Derek
 
I have an Invader 100. I love the thing. I disagree that only the high gain sounds are good. Yes, Channel 3 is pretty freaking great but I think CH1 and 2 are very nice as well. CH2 especially, with the option for high gain or not is a GREAT channel.

I enjoy using CH4 with a delay for leads. Nice creamy lead tone.

Never played an Uber though. Although I owned an XTC101b for a while. It was pretty damn good but I'm enjoying the ENGL more.
 
From a monetary standpoint both amps MAP about the same so value is equal. Having owned both the build quality of the Bogner is far greater. I owned a 150 and a 100. The 100 when I got it had a lifted solder trace. The quality of the PCB's is not in the same league as an Uberschall. With that said from a tonal standpoint the Twin Jet excels more in metal. The Invader has some great tones with a lot more tonal options and can cover more. I did not care much for Channel one of the Twin Jet, Channel two is where it's at. The Invader has thicker more pronounced mids. Channel three of the Invader would never cut live but may be good for recording and home playing. Really depends what type of music you play and/or what you are looking for in an amp. Good and bad with both heads.
 
James_E":3u0g4adr said:
I have an Invader 100. I love the thing. I disagree that only the high gain sounds are good. Yes, Channel 3 is pretty freaking great but I think CH1 and 2 are very nice as well. CH2 especially, with the option for high gain or not is a GREAT channel.

I enjoy using CH4 with a delay for leads. Nice creamy lead tone.

Never played an Uber though. Although I owned an XTC101b for a while. It was pretty damn good but I'm enjoying the ENGL more.
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+1 I like my invader a lot more than the uber I played. I find something that I use a lot for recording is diming the gain on the clean channel with the bright switch and getting a tight bright crunch, about the closest to an ac30 sound I can get with any of my amps, and it sounds great mixed with a lot of other tones.
 
I have an SE and I like it better than the Uber I tried. The Uber is amazing for leads, but ultimately is too spongy for tight metal rhythms. Also, the tone selection on the Engl is far more versatile. Here's channel two with a boost, it's perfect for classic rock.
 
I always hate this dilemma..thing is, if you like/love the tone, you may regret it. Sure the Bogner is built better/better resale, but if you miss that Engl tone, then you have the pain of selling the Bogner to get the Engl back. This market is great for buying but not so much for selling..just look at the classifieds! I had a Jubilee combo a few years ago that I loved. Just the best for me. I sold it thinking I could just buy another. I did get another but as good as it sounds, it falls a bit short to my old one..as Marshalls vary a bit in tone even with the same exact model/year, which this one is. So I would keep the Engl if you really like it..even though the Bogner is a great amp you may not like it as much.
 
Business":6f0lb22p said:
I would do that trade in the blink of an eye, and I would hurry before that POS Engl shits the bed
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Even though I'm not a fan of KT88's, Bogner is far more superior to Engl in build quality...
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This is interesting. There are probably plenty of reasons to trade the Engle for Bogner, but build quality and reliability aren't those I'm aware of. I've owned several Engl and have never had a single issue. Whether you like the tones of one or another is subjective, but Engl have never pretended to be anything other than what they were.
 
The Twin Jet with EL34's is completely horrid. It has a nasty mid honk that can't be EQ'd out. Why this "mod" was popular when the TJ first came out, I have no clue. With stock KT88's it's an animal. Tight, clear, and very "organic" sounding. Sounds the way a rectifier should sound to me, since I think Ubers and rectos sound close.

Once you go from El34's to KT88's in a TJ, you clearly can tell Bogner set up the preamp around the EQ range of the KT88's.

I would do the trade, I think you would be coming out ahead financially too.
 
Mudder":3twqkzvd said:
Business":3twqkzvd said:
I would do that trade in the blink of an eye, and I would hurry before that POS Engl shits the bed
[\exaggeration]

Even though I'm not a fan of KT88's, Bogner is far more superior to Engl in build quality...
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This is interesting. There are probably plenty of reasons to trade the Engle for Bogner, but build quality and reliability aren't those I'm aware of. I've owned several Engl and have never had a single issue. Whether you like the tones of one or another is subjective, but Engl have never pretended to be anything other than what they were.
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I have known several people that have had problems. I had an SE that developed a problem with the fx loop that turned out to be simple, but really scared me. It kept having volume drops, and I couldn't find anyone to even work on it. Their customer support was a complete joke. I have another friend that owned a savage SE, and it developed an intermittent problem with a cold solder joint. It took him a lot of time to track down and get fixed, and it wasn't through ENGL. I know my friend Tom in this thread had issues with a brand new SE, I forget the details, but I know he won't buy another ENGL product.
 
Do it. You won't regret it. Not only is it a higher quality amp (and tonally superior, IMO), you're also coming out ahead value-wise. Don't listen to the people who say that it can't do cleans at high volume; it takes some fiddling, but it can definitely be done. The cleans are chimey and sparkly; not really a true clean, but sometimes I prefer it. Both channels' high gain capabilities are substantial. Very articulate, easy to play amp. You can get a LOT of tones out of this, especially with the power section controls. Mics up very easily too.
 
Having owned an invader and currently owning a twin jet I will quote the immortal words of Arnold by saying "DO EEET NOWWWW".

Bogner destroys Engl all day and night
 
Erock":33vpj6c9 said:
Mudder":33vpj6c9 said:
Business":33vpj6c9 said:
I would do that trade in the blink of an eye, and I would hurry before that POS Engl shits the bed
[\exaggeration]

Even though I'm not a fan of KT88's, Bogner is far more superior to Engl in build quality...
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This is interesting. There are probably plenty of reasons to trade the Engle for Bogner, but build quality and reliability aren't those I'm aware of. I've owned several Engl and have never had a single issue. Whether you like the tones of one or another is subjective, but Engl have never pretended to be anything other than what they were.
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I have known several people that have had problems. I had an SE that developed a problem with the fx loop that turned out to be simple, but really scared me. It kept having volume drops, and I couldn't find anyone to even work on it. Their customer support was a complete joke. I have another friend that owned a savage SE, and it developed an intermittent problem with a cold solder joint. It took him a lot of time to track down and get fixed, and it wasn't through ENGL. I know my friend Tom in this thread had issues with a brand new SE, I forget the details, but I know he won't buy another ENGL product.
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Well that is a bummer. I had a Thunder combo that was about indestructible, and a Fireball with never an issue.
 
I've only played a Bogner once, but there is one thing that I do know. Pretty much every amp that I've owned cut better than my Invader. That includes my 5150, dual/triple rec, my DAR FBM, VHT Pittbull
 
I dig my Engl rig (E530 + E850 + 2 x E212VH) , no issues and wide range of tones from pristine cleans to more high gain than I'll likely ever need, with many usable tones in between. Never owned a Bogner, so no comment. If you miss the Engl you can likely get another. Seems the majority here takes Bogner over Engl, still very happy with my choice going on at least 2-3 years now, no interest in a change. I got my rig new, and I looked at other options before getting the Engl. Sometimes change is good, sometimes it's not. :)
 
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