cae3+se

[jerseybill]

I'm looking to add 1 to 2 more modules to my M4 collection
I would like to know if bruce makes a model
as smooth clear and gainy as ch2 and ch3 of
the CAE 3+SE

I currently have the sl2,EG5,VX and the t/d

 

[Doubleneck]

I'm looking to add 1 to 2 more modules to my M4 collection
I would like to know if bruce makes a model
as smooth clear and gainy as ch2 and ch3 of
the CAE 3+SE

I currently have the sl2,EG5,VX and the t/d

I'm not familiar with the sounds of the CAE3+SE what module gets you the closest? Doesn't Salvation make a module like that?

 

[EWSEthan]

Salvation did make one at least, and probably still does. The benchmark tones for CAE preamp generally mentioned are "Dream Another Dream" on Van Halen's "For Unlawful Carnal Knowlegde" album and Megadeths "Countdown to Extinction" album. As far as what Egnater makes, EG5 is closest.

 

[guitarslinger]

I'm looking to add 1 to 2 more modules to my M4 collection
I would like to know if bruce makes a model
as smooth clear and gainy as ch2 and ch3 of
the CAE 3+SE

I currently have the sl2,EG5,VX and the t/d

Have you ever played a 3+SE?

I owned one for a while, then I got an Egnater IE4.

I stopped playing the CAE and sold it within a month.

I know the grass is always greener, BUT, the CAE is grainey, fuzzy, AND not fun to play. I think the CAE cleans are overrated too, especially vs. the Egnater preamps.

Oh, and the SL2X will get very close to CH2 of the 3+SE, and the EG5 will be similar to CH3 of the 3+SE.

 

[Klark]

The benchmark tones for CAE preamp generally mentioned are "Dream Another Dream" on Van Halen's "For Unlawful Carnal Knowlegde" album..

Really? That's a bummer, because I absolutely love the 3+, and in my opinion, the tone on that song is one of the worst on the album.. Sounds like a cheap combo amp.

FWIW, the song is actually called 'The Dream Is Over'.

I agree with guitarslinger, SL2X and EG5 will probably be closest. My main tone for a long time was ch2 of the 3+, but now I use a VX for just about everything, so I'd have to say you could get close with a VX.

 

[EWSEthan]

FWIW, the song is actually called 'The Dream Is Over'.

Yeah thats right. I forgot what it was actually called. John Suhr actually posed in the Suhr subforum of RT about when he was in studio watching Ed track it. According to him, the 3+ was also used on Spanked.

 

[black_wizards]

the CAE is grainey, fuzzy, AND not fun to play

I think the same. I had the chance to test the CAE and the M4 (was my first modular stuff test) the same day (wiyh same power amp and same cab) and I don't even understand why somebody would prefer the CAE... or maybe just for the "80's" sound

 

[jerseybill]

The cae was actually a caa (hard to keep up)
I believe it was modded by john himself
It was not mine but a fellow band members
What I liked about it was it's clear response
totally inspiring to play and it seem to have alot of seperation between
the notes very clear even with alot of gain and also had lots of tight bottom end and sustain for days
It sounded/played very well and it just felt great and easy on the hands
but yes a dated but still an incredible tone
I think I will spring for a EG5 and a Sl soon and possibly a Bman (I only have a M4 though)
I currently own Sl2x,VX,T/D and a rectal DF modded erect?
I must say the T/D is my least favorite and I tried it with different power amps but just can't seem to bound with it
The T of the T/D seems very thin and quite dead to me
Is the T in the T/D the same cicuit as ch1 or ch2 in the T/T module?
I must say however that the VX more than makes up for it
and really sings with my single coils
But I need a very clear fendery type tone
I wonder if my tonequest for fender tone actually may be in the BMan module
I really appreciate any insight
thanx in advance

 

[felineguitars]

The Salvation mod sounds pretty nice on the Megadeth clip they did with it
It has a switch to go between the 3+ and 3+SE modes

Picture here
http://cherry-band.rajce.idnes.cz/mts_madness/#custom3_7_.JPG


Clip here
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=7356035&q=hi&newref=1

Good playing on the clip too

 

[guitarslinger]

followup.

fwiw:

1. The tone of the CAE is not "dated". That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It sounds like a tweaked, hotrodded Soldano/Marshall/normal, classic, mid-high gain, hard rock machine. However, I still don't like it.

2. The Salvation CAE Module actually sounded better than the real thing, IMO. Something in the Dual M4's iron sounds better than most other preamps.

 

[Piero the Guitarero]

The Salvation mod sounds pretty nice on the Megadeth clip they did with it
It has a switch to go between the 3+ and 3+SE modes

Picture here
http://cherry-band.rajce.idnes.cz/mts_madness/#custom3_7_.JPG


Clip here
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=7356035&q=hi&newref=1

Good playing on the clip too

First of all, we already have a "Salvation Mod" Thread ==========>OMG: My Salvation mod

Sounclick Link fixed -> https://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 55694&q=hi

https://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 56035&q=hi

followup.

fwiw:

1. The tone of the CAE is not "dated". That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It sounds like a tweaked, hotrodded Soldano/Marshall/normal, classic, mid-high gain, hard rock machine. However, I still don't like it.

2. The Salvation CAE Module actually sounded better than the real thing, IMO. Something in the Dual M4's iron sounds better than most other preamps.

Not to be a dick, but....

Your own YT comment:

Thanks a lot dude. I wish I would have put more thought into the clip. I can hardly listen to it now, but I do miss that preamp every now and than.

Nice chops by the way

 

[guitarslinger]

^^ thanks.

I really hate that clip now.

BTW, My gas is all over the place. I said I missed the 3+se BEFORE I got my Salvation mod. Then, I realized, the Salvation mod in the M4 sounded better than I ever remembered the CAE sounding. Therefore, I stopped missing the CAE.

 

[felineguitars]

The Salvation mod sounds pretty nice on the Megadeth clip they did with it
It has a switch to go between the 3+ and 3+SE modes

Picture here
http://cherry-band.rajce.idnes.cz/mts_madness/#custom3_7_.JPG


Clip here
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=7356035&q=hi&newref=1

Good playing on the clip too

First of all, we already have a "Salvation Mod" Thread ==========>OMG: My Salvation mod

Sounclick Link fixed -> https://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 55694&q=hi

https://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 56035&q=hi

Oops - had forgotten that one (and I replied to it
Was over a year ago - must be a failing memory

 

[Mailman1971]

I had the Salvation Custom 3 module.
It sounded good. But I did the A/B test with a stock GRAIL module that was Boosted and it blew away the Salvation Custom 3 with some dialing in. So out the door went the Custom 3.
Its a good module but get a Grail and run a clean boost in front of the amp.

 

[Piero the Guitarero]

I said I missed the 3+se BEFORE I got my Salvation mod. Then, I realized, the Salvation mod in the M4 sounded better than I ever remembered the CAE sounding. Therefore, I stopped missing the CAE.

^^hehe, beware, maybe if you check the "fish" module ...

https://www.soundclick.com/util/getplaye ... 20316&q=hi

...you might wanna sell your "real" fish

 

[Klark]

https://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=8120316&q=hi

Uhh, well, sorry, but that sounds nothing like a real Bogner Fish.

I agree with Mailman, most of those mods are a waste. They're nothing more than resistor & cap tweaks, which for the most part, can be achieved by swapping tubes, or adjusting gain and/or EQ with the fucking knobs. So in the end, what you're paying for is a psychological effect on your brain that it must sound better, and a fancy faceplate.

I do agree that that 3+ Megadeath sounded pretty awesome, but there's so much more at play than just buying a tweaked module. Strings, pickups, power amp, power tubes, cabinet, cones, etc..

 

[danhops]

I think the Salvation Custom 3 is a very cool module. Much more than a few cap and resistor swaps on it (as with many of the modded modules I have come across). Never tried a real CAE, but it's pretty easy to get close to the tones in the clip they posted.

 

[tehuk]

https://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=8120316&q=hi

Uhh, well, sorry, but that sounds nothing like a real Bogner Fish.

I agree with Mailman, most of those mods are a waste. They're nothing more than resistor & cap tweaks, which for the most part, can be achieved by swapping tubes, or adjusting gain and/or EQ with the fucking knobs. So in the end, what you're paying for is a psychological effect on your brain that it must sound better, and a fancy faceplate.

I do agree that that 3+ Megadeath sounded pretty awesome, but there's so much more at play than just buying a tweaked module. Strings, pickups, power amp, power tubes, cabinet, cones, etc..

Have you ever owned one or are you just talking out of your ass? Sure some "modders" just swap caps with different values but the Salvation ones are different.
He guts out the whole board and repopulates it based on the respective amp's schematic. Then he A/Bs with the real thing to get it closer.

 

[Klark]

Have you ever owned one or are you just talking out of your ass? Sure some "modders" just swap caps with different values but the Salvation ones are different.
He guts out the whole board and repopulates it based on the respective amp's schematic. Then he A/Bs with the real thing to get it closer.

Yes, I've tweaked two, fixed one that was not working, and prior to that, made the mistake of buying two. Not ONE of them was gutted or repopulated, thank God. There is absolutely NO reason on earth to completely gut the board, IF you know which components to change. He only does that for the people that are buying that bullshit mojo. Friedman, Trace, and the other veteran modders know damn well there's only so much you can do with those board layouts, which is precisely why you don't see those guys yanking everything and starting over. Why? Because their mods take a module about as far as it's going to get before you're into that bullshit, smoke, mirrors, mojo, and placebo effect territory that so many guys buy into..

Bill: Wow, my module sounds so much different!!!
Ted: Well no shit, it doesn't even have one original component on it anymore. But does it sound better than what you started with??
Bill: Well, considering the time it took to do the mod, coupled with the fact that I forgot what the fuck it sounded like before I sent it out.. No, it probably doesn't sound any better, just different. But at least I got a cool faceplate !!

 

[tehuk]

Yes, I've tweaked two, fixed one that was not working, and prior to that, made the mistake of buying two. Not ONE of them was gutted or repopulated, thank God. There is absolutely NO reason on earth to completely gut the board, IF you know which components to change. He only does that for the people that are buying that bullshit mojo. Friedman, Trace, and the other veteran modders know damn well there's only so much you can do with those board layouts, which is precisely why you don't see those guys yanking everything and starting over. Why? Because their mods take a module about as far as it's going to get before you're into that bullshit, smoke, mirrors, mojo, and placebo effect territory that so many guys buy into..

Bill: Wow, my module sounds so much different!!!
Ted: Well no shit, it doesn't even have one original component on it anymore. But does it sound better than what you started with??
Bill: Well, considering the time it took to do the mod, coupled with the fact that I forgot what the fuck it sounded like before I sent it out.. No, it probably doesn't sound any better, just different. But at least I got a cool faceplate !!

The way that Salvation mods the modules makes the layout irrelevant. He can use almost any module for one of his mods. He just turned a Top Boost into a Mark module for me which no other "modder" could do....

I don't know who modded your modules but my Angel and Mamba had maybe one or two original components left. The other components were different brand, had different values, and there were a couple of cap networks. Not to mention the wires used to connect to the toggle switches.

Its not mojo but fact that brands affect the sound differently. Ask Randall Smith why he uses Orange Drops or Mike Soldano why he likes Mallory.

Its BS if you can't tell a SIGNIFICANT difference between a Super V and MATCHVOX, or an EG5 and a SALVADO. You are probably one of those people that think a Marshall with an SD-1 in front is the same as a Fortin Cali.