Carcass are right

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‎"A lot of what is happening now is based on rhythms rather than actual riffs. We were discussing this a lot during record sessions about how the riff is almost dying or dead already. People spend a lot of time chugging on the bottom string [but] that's a rhythm, it's not a riff. We can't write a song, never mind an album, without it being choc-full of riffs."

Bill Steer, Carcass.

They couldn't be any more correct!

-C
 
spirit7":fnexe486 said:
‎"A lot of what is happening now is based on rhythms rather than actual riffs. We were discussing this a lot during record sessions about how the riff is almost dying or dead already. People spend a lot of time chugging on the bottom string [but] that's a rhythm, it's not a riff. We can't write a song, never mind an album, without it being choc-full of riffs."

Bill Steer, Carcass.

They couldn't be any more correct!

-C
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I was just reading that and its quite quote worthy. Open string chugging is cool when it highlights a part in a song (the machine gun part in One comes to mind) but a whole album of Drop Z drop tuned nonsense is one of my beefs with metal right now.

Riff or die :m17:
 
thegame":13gy2hna said:
spirit7":13gy2hna said:
‎"A lot of what is happening now is based on rhythms rather than actual riffs. We were discussing this a lot during record sessions about how the riff is almost dying or dead already. People spend a lot of time chugging on the bottom string [but] that's a rhythm, it's not a riff. We can't write a song, never mind an album, without it being choc-full of riffs."

Bill Steer, Carcass.

They couldn't be any more correct!

-C
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I was just reading that and its quite quote worthy. Open string chugging is cool when it highlights a part in a song (the machine gun part in One comes to mind) but a whole album of Drop Z drop tuned nonsense is one of my beefs with metal right now.

Riff or die :m17:
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:thumbsup: I agree!! This drop tuned, non stop chugging breakdown "metal" is just so annoying to me. It has no soul, and it is being ran into the ground so much. Like Exodus says" All posers must die!"
 
It's true....For a lot of young acts that are so called "hardcore." I see them all the time and i sometimes joke with our monitor engineer that some guys don't even play chords at all. I'm not lying. single string shit all night.
 
I paly metal mostly and I seldom play chords, (although a single finger bar chord is actually a chord) I do play power chords on the a & d strings, and the odd open d and a come up too. But otherwise, chimey elaborate chords often don't fit the tempo or style of the song/riff.
A lot of my riffs are single note based with pull offs, hammer ons and quick open chugs in between those things to break them up.
I think solely chugging on the e string open or not is excessive. I don't see anyone claiming those to be riffs though. I guess others have.
 
I suppose the quote is mainly aimed at the legion of terrible "djent" (even the name makes me cringe) bands that are currently polluting the charts.

Fuck me... "Heartwork" is an incredible album.

-C
 
The prediction for later tonight is partly cloudy with tons of butt hurt from defensive, one finger barre chord players :lol: :LOL:

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Yes yes yes! I agree this is exactly my thoughts on a lot of modern metal of late... Good work Carcass!
 
Great post...it essentially sums up why I dislike a large portion of modern heavy music. Aside from the lack of riffs, I also see a lack of allowing the rhythms to "breathe"...everything seems to stick to a strict tempo with no "push and pull" around the beat...very sterile and clinical.
 
Yeah Heartwork was pretty killer and I don't even like that genre much. I did always wonder how they could play leads tuned that low though!

I think he is right though, think back to good metal and thrash like Annihilator and Megadeth in the 90's..riff fucking city. The shit now may be tuned lower and growled louder but it ain't bad ass riffing for the most part.
 
I think there are modern metal bands with cool riffs , like KSE, AILD, & Gojira for example. Many others too.
I also hear some of these Djent guys tearing up the fret board with Via like virtuosity. Funny how they all pray to the alter of Meshuggah yet they are acually the ones who simply chug and away consrantly in odd time sigs. Which I guess excludes them somehow from that catagory(?)
Metal music always has it's stereotypes though, often fuelled by other musicians too.
 
Everything goes in rounds. Riffs are cool. Complex syncopated rhythms are cool. Anything overly done gets boring after awhile. And for the record, I don't get this whole Djent thing...
 
D-Rock":3pes9epv said:
I think there are modern metal bands with cool riffs , like KSE, AILD, & Gojira for example. Many others too.
I also hear some of these Djent guys tearing up the fret board with Via like virtuosity. Funny how they all pray to the alter of Meshuggah yet they are acually the ones who simply chug and away consrantly in odd time sigs. Which I guess excludes them somehow from that catagory(?)
Metal music always has it's stereotypes though, often fuelled by other musicians too.
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True. It's a bit unfair of me to characterise an entire genre. But most of it is wank :lol: :LOL:

Meshuggah invented that style, and perfected it. Everything else is just imitation (with whiny emo vocals...).

-C
 
Carcass is amazing.. they havent made a bad album. Necroticism is my favorite.
Please never ever again put Carcass in relation or even in the same threat as "djent"...........It's so degrading to their awesomeness.

Bill Steer is with this absolutely awesome band now:
 
i never thought of meshuggah as djent back in 98 or so when i first started listening to them.
i still dont now.

to me, they sound universes away from what is referred to as "djent".
 
That's the reason I don't keep up with modern metal anymore: no riffs. Every single band is Q-flat tuning with EMG 81-equipped guitars into boost into 5150. I thought Messugah were boring in when I heard them in 1996, I didn't think people would build an entire genre around them.
 
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