Carcass are right

[Heritage Softail]

Ok, I'm old and not up to speed on this one note chug stuff.

Allow me one simple question. Why the super low tuned or 8 string guitars? When I have seen most players using them, they seem to basically using it like a super high gain baritone rig. A super rare few play leads up the neck beyond a baritone range.

I like great rhythm playing. Eddie and Nuno are amazing riffers. Some very groove oriented rhythms.

Not hating, just don't get it.

The djent guitar pic is funny though....

 

[FIREBALL]

swansong i s amasterpiece too

 

[Theo907]

Are Born of Osiris and After the Burial lumped into this "djent" scene? They don't seem to just chug away at the Z string and can rip through the fret board. I try not to get caught up in sub classifications of metal, if I like it... I like it...

 

[maiden_fan]

I all I know is, I cannot wait to see Carcass at the end of the month!

 

[stefvorcide]

Great topic

Ok, I'm old and not up to speed on this one note chug stuff.

Allow me one simple question. Why the super low tuned or 8 string guitars? When I have seen most players using them, they seem to basically using it like a super high gain baritone rig. A super rare few play leads up the neck beyond a baritone range.

I like great rhythm playing. Eddie and Nuno are amazing riffers. Some very groove oriented rhythms.

Because it's supposed to be heavy??

 

[spirit7]

Great topic

Ok, I'm old and not up to speed on this one note chug stuff.

Allow me one simple question. Why the super low tuned or 8 string guitars? When I have seen most players using them, they seem to basically using it like a super high gain baritone rig. A super rare few play leads up the neck beyond a baritone range.

I like great rhythm playing. Eddie and Nuno are amazing riffers. Some very groove oriented rhythms.

Because it's supposed to be heavy??

Supposed to be, but actually it isn't at all. It's Meshuggah with all the aggression removed and whiny, pathetic vocals added...

-C

 

[ridner]

speaking of Carcass:

Reactivated British extreme metal legends CARCASS have set "Surgical Steel" as the title of their first studio album in 17 years, to e released later this year via an as-yet-undetermined record label. The band's first studio outing since 1996's "Swansong" will be the first to feature new drummer Dan Wilding (ABORTED, TRIGGER THE BLOODSHED) and also features guest vocals from original sticksman Ken Owen. The CD was produced by Colin Richardson, who has previously worked with FEAR FACTORY, MACHINE HEAD, NAPALM DEATH, SLIPKNOT and BULLET FOR MY VALENTINE.

CARCASS guitarist Bill Steer tells U.K.'s Terrorizer magazine: "I found myself playing riffs that sounded like CARCASS. This was after the band had finished the whole reunion cycle of shows and festivals. So, officially, I would have been playing with other bands and stuff, but for some reason whenever I picked up a guitar at home I was coming up with riffs that sounded like CARCASS. I got on the phone to Jeff [Walker, bass/vocals] and said, 'We could have a crack at writing a couple of tunes and seeing if they're strong enough and take it from there.' We also agreed if it didn't sound like carcass or have that kind of vibe to it, we would just drop it. So that was the thing, we got together and started working on some stuff and just immediately got the excitement back very quickly."

Adds Bill: "It definitely sounds like CARCASS. I think we just generally by accident captured the flavor of past music that we have done and you can't help but push it forward. We have really been creative and when you are looking at things like guitar harmonies, it's way more adventurous on this record. It's not just parallel harmony like we did in the past, things branch off in different directions.

"A lot of what is happening now is based on rhythms rather than actual riffs. We were discussing this a lot during record sessions about how the riff is almost dying or dead already. People spend a lot of time chugging on the bottom string [but] that's a rhythm, it's not a riff. We can't write a song, never mind an album, without it being choc-full of riffs."

States Jeff Walker: "I'd like to feel like we are giving CARCASS fans what they want again. I'm a realist and I think Bill has realized and Dan know what people like about CARCASS. We're definitely delivering."

While the final track listing has yet to be confirmed, the following songs were recorded during the sessions:

* The Master Butcher's Apron
* The Granulating Dark Satanic Mills
* A Congealed Clot Of Blood
* A Wraith In The Apparatus
* 316l Grade Surgical Steel
* Cadaver Pouch Conveyor System
* Captive Bolt Pistol
* Intensive Battery Brooding
* None Compliance To Astm F899-12 Standard
* Mount Of Execution
* 1985/Thrasher's Abattoir
* Unfit For Human Consumption
* Zochrot
* Livestock Marketplace

 

[headlessdeadguy]

The prediction for later tonight is partly cloudy with tons of butt hurt from defensive, one finger barre chord players

 

[amiller]

It's kinda funny actually. The drop tuned chugging guys buying 7 strings and just chug away on the 7th string and sometimes include the 6 string. I imagine they must look down at their guitars and think "gee, I wonder what all those other strings are for."

 

[rupe]

Great topic

Ok, I'm old and not up to speed on this one note chug stuff.

Allow me one simple question. Why the super low tuned or 8 string guitars? When I have seen most players using them, they seem to basically using it like a super high gain baritone rig. A super rare few play leads up the neck beyond a baritone range.

I like great rhythm playing. Eddie and Nuno are amazing riffers. Some very groove oriented rhythms.

Because it's supposed to be heavy??

Heavy has nothing to do with being tuned down to the key of shit sludge...the problem is that too many metal "players" don't get that. The "we're gonna tune a whole step lower" crowd thinks they're on to something when in fact most of them are clueless. "If B sounds like this, let's go down to A and we'll be even heavier!". Bullshit...you honestly think nobody thought of that before you? The one's with ears recognize that it sounds like shit while the pretentious crowd will keep trying to go lower and be more "extreme"...it's laughable. There's a point of diminishing returns with lower tunings. At some point, they fall out of the frequency range where they truly have a sonic impact...just detuned rumblings. I haven't heard heard much below drop-C that I think sounds good, but there are no hard, fast rules beyond keeping a clear, balanced mix IMO.

 

[Anonymous]

Heavy has nothing to do with being tuned down to the key of shit sludge...the problem is that too many metal "players" don't get that. The "we're gonna tune a whole step lower" crowd thinks they're on to something when in fact most of them are clueless. "If B sounds like this, let's go down to A and we'll be even heavier!". Bullshit...you honestly think nobody thought of that before you? The one's with ears recognize that it sounds like shit while the pretentious crowd will keep trying to go lower and be more "extreme"...it's laughable. There's a point of diminishing returns with lower tunings. At some point, they fall out of the frequency range where they truly have a sonic impact...just detuned rumblings. I haven't heard heard much below drop-C that I think sounds good, but there are no hard, fast rules beyond keeping a clear, balanced mix IMO.

I'm not really into this type of metal, but the only guy I've heard that does interesting stuff with lower tuning is Jeff Loomis

 

[Mailman1971]

I grew up on the old school Thrash stuff....Anthrax, Metallica, Testament....etc.
The first bad that sorta blew me away with lower tuned stuff and still keeping riffs was Machine Head with the
BURN MY EYES Cd.....man it was killer. Heavy and riffs.
Once the tunings kept getting lower and the riffs were leaving in music....I lost interest. Lamb of God has some pretty good stuff out there for me as far as newer metal. But I really dont keep up on the music scene.

 

[Heritage Softail]

I grew up on the old school Thrash stuff....Anthrax, Metallica, Testament....etc.
The first bad that sorta blew me away with lower tuned stuff and still keeping riffs was Machine Head with the
BURN MY EYES Cd.....man it was killer. Heavy and riffs.
Once the tunings kept getting lower and the riffs were leaving in music....I lost interest. Lamb of God has some pretty good stuff out there for me as far as newer metal. But I really dont keep up on the music scene.

I saw LOG live and they had a few cool songs. I hit them up on iTunes and bought a few.

Sabbath was heavy... I remember hearing the song Black Sabbath... That shit was evil. Had the minor key step of tones that gave that vibe. I feel like the relationship between the notes, not so much the frequency only of the notes gives the vibe of dark and heavy.

 

[Michi]

Great post...it essentially sums up why I dislike a large portion of modern heavy music. Aside from the lack of riffs, I also see a lack of allowing the rhythms to "breathe"...everything seems to stick to a strict tempo with no "push and pull" around the beat...very sterile and clinical.

I've been listening to the (only) rock radio station over here whenever I get the chance, and have come to exactly the same conclusion. Everything that's considered modern and gets airplay nowadays (at least over here) fits that description to a tee. At least to my ear it gets really old really fast.

 

[Mailman1971]

I grew up on the old school Thrash stuff....Anthrax, Metallica, Testament....etc.
The first bad that sorta blew me away with lower tuned stuff and still keeping riffs was Machine Head with the
BURN MY EYES Cd.....man it was killer. Heavy and riffs.
Once the tunings kept getting lower and the riffs were leaving in music....I lost interest. Lamb of God has some pretty good stuff out there for me as far as newer metal. But I really dont keep up on the music scene.

I saw LOG live and they had a few cool songs. I hit them up on iTunes and bought a few.

Sabbath was heavy... I remember hearing the song Black Sabbath... That shit was evil. Had the minor key step of tones that gave that vibe. I feel like the relationship between the notes, not so much the frequency only of the notes gives the vibe of dark and heavy.

For sure.....take a happy riff....slow it up....add a little mute and chug. Evil.
I love taking a pop song and just mangling it into a metal song while leaving the same chord progression intact.
I like to hear a Riff....and know what the song is based on the guitar alone. I am silly like that.
Alot of bantering on one string I have no idea what the song is. But in defense of the one string chuggers.....I like to throw that down in some jam sessions as well. But I never go below drop D.

 

[FIREBALL]

Are Born of Osiris and After the Burial lumped into this "djent" scene? They don't seem to just chug away at the Z string and can rip through the fret board. I try not to get caught up in sub classifications of metal, if I like it... I like it...

afyer the burial is the shit

 

[mchn13]

carcass is always right. weren't they tuned to b-standard?

 

[thegame]

Adds Bill: "It definitely sounds like CARCASS. I think we just generally by accident captured the flavor of past music that we have done and you can't help but push it forward. We have really been creative and when you are looking at things like guitar harmonies, it's way more adventurous on this record. It's not just parallel harmony like we did in the past, things branch off in different directions.

I'm particularly interested in this development. I still think the Heartwork guitar sound is the best super low tuned metal tone I've ever heard, slightly edging out Fear Factory on Demanufacture.