Ventura
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Awesome post.D-Rock":2pygkc1h said:
Steve knows his business when it comes to all things sound. I respect that man's opinion.
Steve knows his business when it comes to all things sound. I respect that man's opinion.
NewWorldMan
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Completely back what Fryette said, and to take it one step further, Mesa believes that 8 ohm speakers are inherently "tighter" than 16 ohm speakers, hence why their 4X12's ship with them. So, if you're playing metal and want that V30 sound without the added brightness, then the T4335 Mesa OEM 8 ohm is what you want, which you'll find in just about every stock Mesa V30 4X12 cab...though they'll sound even better after you punish them for a while and break them in.
thegame
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NewWorldMan":55o4xbsy said:
Mesa don't put 16 ohm taps on their amps. So for the best impedance match, you're almost forced to buy an 8 ohm Mesa cab. I think thats why Mesa pushes the 8 ohm speakers. Even with two 16 ohm Marshall cabs (as most are), and only one 8 ohm output on most Mesa amps, you still cannot get the correct impedance match. Thats not an oversight IMO.
NewWorldMan
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thegame":2qetom0e said:
Mesa just believes in the 8 ohm speakers versus 16 ohm and build accordingly. If you want 16 ohm versions, you can specify that's what you want your cab to have, and that's what they'll put in it. You can also buy 16 ohm versions direct from Mesa in quantities as small as a single speaker.
David_kessler
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So are WGS Vet30's closer to the Mesa oem since they both have a more relaxed top end?
FourT6and2
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thegame":b66kwhlw said:
That's strange. I didn't know they don't put 16ohm taps on their amps. Everyone else has usually said 16ohm sounds better. Personally, I don't think I've ever noticed a difference between 4/8/16. As long as the speaker and output jack are matched.
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D-Rock
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The difference in the Vet 30 is in the midrange spike, not in the treble. Great speaker too IMO.
Mesa designs it's amps with their cabinet in mind, so not accommodating two 16 ohm cabs from other manufactures is not an oversight IMO. It's likely a calculated decision.
Mesa also uses 16 ohm V30's in their Recto 2x12's, wired in parallel at 8 ohms. So it may be that the total cab impedance is more of a factor, than the actual speaker impedance rating.
Mesa designs it's amps with their cabinet in mind, so not accommodating two 16 ohm cabs from other manufactures is not an oversight IMO. It's likely a calculated decision.
Mesa also uses 16 ohm V30's in their Recto 2x12's, wired in parallel at 8 ohms. So it may be that the total cab impedance is more of a factor, than the actual speaker impedance rating.
BeZo
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D-Rock":2gh6lfle said:
I think they do that so that their 2x12 cabs and their 4x12 cabs have the same impedance. That way you can run a 3/4 stack. The same is true with other company's, like Orange and Marshall. Their 2x12s and 4x12s are all 16 ohms so that they match. There could be tonal differences in speakers with different impedances though. I'd like to test that theory.
some dude
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D-Rock":21j0jtgw said:
Mesa's 16ohm speakers have more top and bottom end with a slightly more relaxed midrange than the 8ohm version.
midnightlaundry
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So then, wat was Mesa's main speaker back in the early to mid 80's?
some dude
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midnightlaundry":2ifeawm7 said:
Altec 417-8H
Eminence MS-12
Celestion MC-90
Electro-Voice EVM-12L
The Altec's were the original speaker of choice for Mark Is. MS-12s were stock on Mark IIs (I forget what year they made the switch). If I remember correctly the MC-90 was available as a general upgrade while the EVM-12L was recommended for Jazz.
There was a JBL in there somewhere, but I forget it's purpose.
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agonist
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blackba":3pvyp61j said:
Anything would be an improvement over the stock Blue Marvel. I put an Eminence Private Jack (very similar to V30) in my Calssic 30 and it was a VAST improvement.
lespaul6
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Mesa's non use of a 16 ohm tap is done so you have to buy their cab and not use the trusty marshall cab you already own! they believe you should only use their tubes as well remember..lol when you use an 8 ohm cab with a marshall you are not getting the full transformer windings in your tone. Some like only using a portion of the transformer.. others do not, and prefer full power.
btw my early dual rec I had in the 90's as well as a tremoverb I had in 94 had a 16 ohm tap...i'm not sure of the year they decided these amps sounded "bad" and needed to be modified to exclude the 16ohm tap
btw my early dual rec I had in the 90's as well as a tremoverb I had in 94 had a 16 ohm tap...i'm not sure of the year they decided these amps sounded "bad" and needed to be modified to exclude the 16ohm tap
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chrisrocksusa
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I love them, they sound fantastic imo
dawnofdreamx97
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from what i read, and maybe Jim from scumback can confirm this or not because i know he has a lot of speaker info and skills...
I believe there are both treble 75hz and bass 55hz cones available in the vintage 30, and they are also available in a ceramic and alnico magnet.
I'd imagine a 55hz alnico magnet version would def be warmer if it existed like i've heard and read.
I heard the marshall vintage speaker is a uk made, 55hz alnico v30, not 100% sure if that's true though.... Jim ?
I believe there are both treble 75hz and bass 55hz cones available in the vintage 30, and they are also available in a ceramic and alnico magnet.
I'd imagine a 55hz alnico magnet version would def be warmer if it existed like i've heard and read.
I heard the marshall vintage speaker is a uk made, 55hz alnico v30, not 100% sure if that's true though.... Jim ?
stephen sawall
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I have all three versions of the 16 ohm here,T3904 Standard 16 ohm, T3987 Marshall OEM 16 ohm, T4416 Mesa OEM 16 ohm.... I like the sound of the Mesa's best. There is absolutely a difference in sound between all of the 8 ohm & 16 ohm speakers I have compared. I am sure running the amp on different ohm's had effect on the sound also.
ericsabbath
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I had lots of v30's, mostly with the mesa codes in both 8 and 16 ohms
they were a bit fatter, but also more nasal
the others still sound pretty close and differences should be irrelevant when you're playing through different cabs
the only situation where I always prefer a mesa cab with the mesa v30 is for recording
their oversized cab is hard to beat when you want a really meaty studio tone
but I usually don't like it for rehearshal or gigs, and chinese v30's in tighter sounding cabs actually sound much better with the band
but I love the mesa 1x12 for small gigs
had the mesa v30 in a cheaper cab as well and it sounded killer for pub gigs
they were a bit fatter, but also more nasal
the others still sound pretty close and differences should be irrelevant when you're playing through different cabs
the only situation where I always prefer a mesa cab with the mesa v30 is for recording
their oversized cab is hard to beat when you want a really meaty studio tone
but I usually don't like it for rehearshal or gigs, and chinese v30's in tighter sounding cabs actually sound much better with the band
but I love the mesa 1x12 for small gigs
had the mesa v30 in a cheaper cab as well and it sounded killer for pub gigs
Mesa\Kramer
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David_kessler":cpy4r38c said:
thegame
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lespaul6":2yptlibj said:
Old Mesa Mark amps never had 16 ohm taps either. The "16" ohm tap on some early 90's Mesa amps was actually just another 8 ohm tap, which is what a higher up at Mesa told my friend about his Triple Recto way back when.
thegame
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dawnofdreamx97":1kqweh8h said:
All V30s versions are 55hz cones and ceramic. The V30 design was engineered to approximate an alnico like tone with its softer breakup and papery crunch, using modern ceramic material. They were partially successful, compared to all the other mid 80's Celestions available at the time IMO.