Couple of Rebel 30 Questions

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Thinking about getting a Rebel 30 as a little grab and go. Some questions:

1. What would happen if you put it into silent mode and connected headphones to the line out? I think it is speaker emulated; Would that work?

2. The website shows what must be the back of the Rebel 30 head. The line out is a combined XLR/quarter inch plug. Is that what it actually has? If not, how tough of a mod would that be?

3. Any thoughts on whether the combo sounds as good as the separate head and cab?

Thanks!

:D :confused: :rock:
 
Recently bought a Rebel 30 head...
1: Headphones to the line out...XLR only on the head. I've tried mine two ways: Into a 4 channel Behringer mixer and then into a pair of cans. - Sounds great, plus you can run an MP3 player in for practice etc. The second was into a Line 6 UX2, running POD Farm and also bypassing POD Farm directly into Reaper. Both sound great, although I will say that the Rebel 30 has a much different tonal signature than the 20. Tried the same settings I used on my 20 with the 30 and the results were MUCH different. Tone stack and the tight/bright switches have a much bigger effect than the 20. Takes a bit of tweaking and getting used to...kind of like a Tourmaster does.

2: XLR/Quarter inch? XLR only on the head. As far as a mod; I don't think that would be necessary as there are tons of XLR to 1/4 inch adapters that you can purchase that would save you the trouble of crackin' out a soldering iron and jumping into the mod pool.

3: Combo vs. Head & Cab - Not sure. Can't imagine there being any remarkable difference considering the cab on the combo is basically identical to the 1x12 cab. The only thing I'm not sure of is whether or not the 1x12 combo is ported (although i'm pretty sure it is) I use mine with 2 of the 1x12 cabs and it sound fantastic although it's much more bottom/low end heavy than the Rebel 20....so it's taken a lot more time to dial in "my" sound.

Hope this helps.
 
Thanks- Interesting. For the combo, the website clearly shows a combined jack, but I am not sure that is what the ones in the stores have.

What is ported- an opening in the back? The combo has a grille like the Tourmaster but it isn't completely open.
 
My Rebel 30 Combo just has the XLR output, not the XLR/ 1/4" jack. It seems like it must be a feature of newer production models. Looking at my serial number I think mine was made September 09.
 
I see what you mean about the picture on the website. Don't know if that's a pic of a prototype or what...weird. All the combo's i've seen (albeit only about 3 of them) only have the XLR. Maybe Bruce/Ian could chime in?

As far as the port...there's a small hole in the front of the cab just like on the 1x12 cabs...it's about 2" in diameter or so...for increased bottom end.

Just checked MF and they have it advertised with a combined output jack as part of the actual specs...although they advertise the same with the head...
 
I think MF and others just copy that off of the website, and I think it is not made with a combined jack. Too bad- nice feature.
 
Hmm... I think some may have the combined jack. On the Egnater website I can pull up a photo of the Rebel 30 combo rear panel. http://www.egnateramps.com/Products/Reb ... oBack.html

That looks like a combined jack to me... It's definately looks different than what I have on mine. It could be some cpmbos have it but not enough to have it listed as a feature on the egnater website.

I agree it would be nice to know officially if it does exist...

Rob
 
I agree that it is probably a new offering. The record out on my R30 head that I purchased about 6 months ago is XLR. Even if the newer R30 (head or combo) offers a combined record out jack it is not something you would want to use for headphones......its intended purpose is to go to a mixer or another suitable device that is designed for that purpose.

You might get some sound out of the headphones with that approach, but it won't sound good, and I don't even recommend trying it...

I completely agree with briguy73's approach to achieving good headphone sounds out of the R30 in silent mode. :thumbsup:

BTW....I really like my R30 Head and 112 cab as a grab and go amp. I auditioned the R30 112 combo prior to buying the head/cab and didn't like it as well....mainly due to "rattles" all though that could have just been the one I tried. The head/cab sounds great to me!!

Hope this helps Len, and buy, buy, buy... :D

All kidding aside, I think you would like it. It offers a lot of great sounds in such a small package.
 
One of the Guitarists in our worship band uses the Rebel 30. The record out is a male XLR. Basically a DI built in so not so much on the headphone part. The amp is abusingly LOUD and very directional in it's combo form. Very surprising for a 30 watt combo.
Fantastic as a pedal amp, the lead channel breaks a little early, I'd put a harder tube in the second gain stage of that amp.

My own thoughts.
You won't be sorry! And if you are a strat player it NAILS the Gilmour clean.
 
+1 to Milerky2's comments......especially regarding the clean tones available in the R30. They are phenomenal!! And yes, this amp can be very loud and in a very good way.

Personally, I have also conjured up some really nice mid/high gain crunch rhythm and lead tones out of channel 2 playing the amp stock. Not saying that tube swaps couldn't be beneficial....just saying mine sounds great stock and I have had no problems whatsoever.

Best of luck
 
Don't think the headphone idea is gonna work, but a comibined jack would be nice. Weird that the website shows it on the combo but no one seems to have it. There are other work arounds I guess. Hmmm.
 
Any more thoughts on whether the combo sounds as good as the head/cabinet set up. Combo is more grab and go, but head and cab could do things like put the cab in another room for recording while you keep the had next to you, or gigs that are just the PA system and just bring the head... could maybe even offload my POD because I do have a mixer to run it through for headphones... combo also has top mounted controls that I am not crazy about...

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I think the head/cab is more versatile in my opinion.
It's super light and as grab-and-go as it gets. Even the 1x12 is small and light.
And through 2 1x12s it sounds even better. Mix and match.

Also, I have never mic'ed this amp (or the Renegade). I use the line out and get pretty amazing results.
 
Well, went with the Rebel 30 head and cab. Even dumped the Tourmaster! Great amp but too heavy.

If you are in silent mode, can you use the head without a speaker cab attached? I am thinking that at small gigs I would just bring the head, put it in silent mode, and run it through the PA, but I want to make sure it doesn't have to have a cabinet attached anyway.

Thanks!
 
Len Rabinowitz":22fdofrh said:
Well, went with the Rebel 30 head and cab. Even dumped the Tourmaster! Great amp but too heavy.

If you are in silent mode, can you use the head without a speaker cab attached? I am thinking that at small gigs I would just bring the head, put it in silent mode, and run it through the PA, but I want to make sure it doesn't have to have a cabinet attached anyway.

Thanks!
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Good on ya!
Yes indeed, you don't need a cab in silent mode, which is cool. But I prefer having a cab to feel it and let it feedback.

I have had the Rebel for a little over a year. Then I dumped my Road King for a Tourmaster at first, but it was too heavy. I ended up getting a Renegade instead. I love both my Egnaters.
 
That's what I thought. I sent an e-mail to Bruce and Ian just for confirmation. Haven't heard back yet, but I assume they will agree with you.

Playing it- Sounds great; bit more "vintage" sounding then the Tourmaster. The Tourmaster did have a few features I will miss, but the silent record, light weight, clean tones, and general quality really sell this thing.
 
Congrats Len!
I think you chose well. Like dan desy......I also own a Renegade and love both of my Egnaters.
Enjoy!
 
Just got it confirmed by Ian- Silent = no speaker necessary. Gonna try just the head into the PA tonight. Bit lighter than that 100 pounder...
 
Thought you all might want to know how this ended up.

Tried the Rebel 30, but ultimately went with the Renegade 212.

I didn't like the sound of the Rebel 30 combo, so I went with the head/1 X12 cab set up. I am usually a combo guy, but I thought I would try this.

The first head I got was problematic- A burning smell and popping sounds.

Got that replaced with a new head. No problems. In the end I didn't like the follwoing things about it:

1. Too loud at home. It seemed like the Tourmaster had better gain staging, and a smoother volume taper. The Rebel 30 seemed like it was everytjing right up front. Good for a band, but when you turned it down to play at home it lost its tone.

2. Underpowered at gigs. At a loud gig- like a bunch of bikers last night!- it couldn't stay clean.

3. It's noisy. The Tourmaster and Renegade are quieter.

4. I didn't like not having the gain and mid controls on channel one.

5. I also didn't like having the reverb controls on the back.

6. I didn't like not having a footswitchable effects loop. That means you have to do it with the effects, and if you are using more than one effect that is quite a dance!

I did like the sound, and it definitely has a better reverb then the Tourmaster as well as a much better line out. The silent record is nice and the Renegade doesn't have it but there may be other ways to do that. I think the Renegade has the same reverb. I am aware of the issues some have had with the Renegade reverb but I don't think I will be driving it that hard.

I kind of miss the Tourmaster, but the Rebel just wasn't enough amp for me. I think the Renegade 212 will do nicely. I like the footswitch on it a lot, and it has some nice features that the Tourmaster didn't have. And the Renegade is 30 pounds lighter then the Tourmaster!
 
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