Creamback H75 x non vented G12T-75?

glpg80

glpg80

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Am I dumb for thinking this is a good combo? Debating ordering a full stack of empty Splawn cabinets again and running these in X patterns in both.
 
I like that combo.

Personally, I think the non-vented 75s are underrated in general - especially for mixing and matching.

They have a ton of low end, and that tends to beef up the more midrange focused speakers that sound best close miced like the creamback, blackback, greenback, etc varieties
 
I think the combo could sound good.

As with V30s there are some T75s that sound bad. I have some from the 80s that sound great though.
 
Depends on the amp but I can imagine this combo as harsh city. Both have more of the scooped character with boosted highs and lows and works better mixed with more mid oriented speaker.
 
I had that those speakers in a Splawn 4x12 and loved it using my Splawn EL34 SS. The Creambacks on the bottom and T75s up top . I sold it to a friends son a few years ago and recently heard him play thru it at a gig using his Peavey 5150 and it sounded killer . He’s got those speakers very much broken in
 
You never know until trying it, but that doesn’t sound like a good mix to me as both those speakers lack mids. I don’t like either of those speakers much in general besides the ‘80’s version non-vented T75’s. I wasn’t crazy about Splawn cabs either from what I remember of them
 
My favorite cab for hard rock/metal is a 1960A with non-vented 75’s and Jensen Nighthawks in an X pattern. I say try it in one cab first and see. Sometimes off the wall mixes can be cool.
 
braintheory said:
You never know until trying it, but that doesn’t sound like a good mix to me as both those speakers lack mids. I don’t like either of those speakers much in general besides the ‘80’s version non-vented T75’s. I wasn’t crazy about Splawn cabs either from what I remember of them
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I don’t think creamback H75 lack mids, I think they have mids but just less than V30’s which are IMO all mids. But I’ve never owned them before which is why I’m looking for help from current owners.
 
glpg80 said:
I don’t think creamback H75 lack mids, I think they have mids but just less than V30’s which are IMO all mids. But I’ve never owned them before which is why I’m looking for help from current owners.
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I would say you’re right in that don’t really lack mids per say unless comparing them to V30’s or most M magnet celestions, but they for sure have that very hollow H magnet midrange like the H30’s, but even worse. I hate those speakers honestly. Hollow mids, very strong upper frequencies, but at the same time very smooth (not biting or gritty), which to me translates to just being kind of annoying and peaky. I just don’t like anything about those speakers. Couldn’t get rid of them fast enough

Those 75’s you mentioned can sound good with V30’s and a few other middy speakers, but don’t like them on their own. In general I don’t like the sound of speaker mixes as much, but some definitely can be great when you get it right
 
I wouldn’t do an X pattern, put both H75’s on the bottom, they’re some of the loudest speakers I’ve ever had.
 
braintheory said:
I would say you’re right in that don’t really lack mids per say unless comparing them to V30’s or most M magnet celestions, but they for sure have that very hollow H magnet midrange like the H30’s, but even worse. I hate those speakers honestly. Hollow mids, very strong upper frequencies, but at the same time very smooth (not biting or gritty), which to me translates to just being kind of annoying and peaky. I just don’t like anything about those speakers. Couldn’t get rid of them fast enough

Those 75’s you mentioned can sound good with V30’s and a few other middy speakers, but don’t like them on their own. In general I don’t like the sound of speaker mixes as much, but some definitely can be great when you get it right
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Were your H75 broken in?
 
glpg80 said:
Were your H75 broken in?
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Yeah I had them for a few years. Fwiw also, while I definitely hear the way a speaker’s sound changes as they break in, it has never changed my overall opinion of them, they just simply got better and I understand that when playing them. The speakers I love l also loved when I received them brand new, not counting of course my vintage speakers that are imho much more inspiring to play through
 
Depends on what kind of mids we're talking, but my H's were actually honkier than V30's. So probably less upper mids, but more core "Greenback-y" woody mids on the Creambacks for sure.

I'm pretty sure Creamback H's vary a lot. Mine were way brighter and not as chunky as my Vintage 30's, but I've heard people often describe them as "full". I've heard some clips which agree with that, but mine weren't.

Mine were also noticeably more efficient than my V30's.
 
It depends. Are your non vented T75's early ones (from '85 to say, '87)? In that case, go for it! I know from experience this rawks hard.

But with later versions, it could be like others mentioned, it'll end up too scooped or harsh. And chances are also, if they're reasonably old and well broken in, some of that harshness is reduced.
Never tried the Creamback H75, but I owned a M65 for a while. It was quite stiff sounding, and it didn't combine all the good traits I hoped it would, so I sold it.
 
Rex Rocker said:
Depends on what kind of mids we're talking, but my H's were actually honkier than V30's. So probably less upper mids, but more core "Greenback-y" woody mids on the Creambacks for sure.

I'm pretty sure Creamback H's vary a lot. Mine were way brighter and not as chunky as my Vintage 30's, but I've heard people often describe them as "full". I've heard some clips which agree with that, but mine weren't.

Mine were also noticeably more efficient than my V30's.
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Some of this matches my experience with them too. I felt their voicing just was undesirable, especially for what I prefer in metal. It had something in the uppermids that I found really annoying, but too smooth at the same time with the typical hollow H mag mids in a worse way than H30’s. I didn’t like anything about them. Maybe the fullness they’re referring is from it having deeper lows than their M magnet counterparts, but other high powered celestions and non-celestions have even deeper/heavier lows. It didn’t really fit any niche for me in serving a specific purpose well vs others
 
braintheory said:
Some of this matches my experience with them too. I felt their voicing just was undesirable, especially for what I prefer in metal. It had something in the uppermids that I found really annoying, but too smooth at the same time with the typical hollow H mag mids in a worse way than H30’s. I didn’t like anything about them. Maybe the fullness they’re referring is from it having deeper lows than their M magnet counterparts, but other high powered celestions and non-celestions have even deeper/heavier lows. It didn’t really fit any niche for me in serving a specific purpose well vs others
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In my case, they got along well with my Krank because my Krank was very scoopy and heavy in the lows, so the added mids helped a little. But to be honest, that Krank was VERY picky, and only wanted to sound good when/if the planets aligned.

But as soon as I got my EVH, yeah... they weren't working. I got rid of them and filled my cab with Greenbacks. Two Chinese and two UK Classic series Greenbacks. Nothing fancy.

I think there's a chance I might like the Greenback M/Vintage 30 mix, but honestly, I prefer to have different speakers in different cabs. I'm not in love with mixing speakers in one cab because I always feel like I'm watering down the one that I like the most with the one that I like less.
 
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Rex Rocker said:
In my case, they got along well with my Krank because my Krank was very scoopy and heavy in the lows, so the added mids helped a little. But to be honest, that Krank was VERY picky, and only wanted to sound good when/if the planets aligned.

But as soon as I got my EVH, yeah... they weren't working. I got rid of them and filled my cab with Greenbacks. Two Chinese and two UK Classic series Greenbacks. Nothing fancy.

I think there's a chance I might like the Greenback M/Vintage 30 mix, but honestly, I prefer to have different speakers in different cabs. I'm not in love with mixing speakers in one cab because I always feel like I'm watering down the one that I like the most with the one that I like less.
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Yeah Kranks are like that for sure and can see that happening, but with the amps I have they were imo awful

I agree about speaker mixing. I usually get much better results just sticking to a quad of the same speakers avoiding clashes, but some mixes here and there in the right cab can be perfect like JBL 120’s on bottom with redbacks or 20w Greenbacks on top. The former has been still the heaviest sound I’ve had so far with speaker combos and the latter is very grindy and aggressive and what EVH did even though I’m not a fan of that lol. It’s great for so much more than EVH stuff
 
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