david gilmur tone chat...

trey85stang

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I know this has been beat to death here and every other guitar site on the web, but what will get me the rhythm guitar tone from pigs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNa551dR6Rc

1:54 - 2:09

Of course the YT vid sucks, if you have the cd it obviously sounds 10x better.


So... HiWatt, fender? over drive? cranked... what will do that tone?
 
I love that song, but his NASA size rig really leaves me mystified.

When was Animals released, '77? In 77 I don't know if he used a MK 1 yet, I'd have to check the article that explains his gear.

I honestly don't know what would get that tone, Strat and David Gilmour's hands are all I can come up with.
 
ToneFreeq89":l1b1cjzw said:
I love that song, but his NASA size rig really leaves me mystified.

When was Animals released, '77? In 77 I don't know if he used a MK 1 yet, I'd have to check the article that explains his gear.

I honestly don't know what would get that tone, Strat and David Gilmour's hands are all I can come up with.
77 or 78 I think, I know his rig mystifies us mere mortals, but that tone is sex to my ear Id like to conjure up something close to it :D
 
trey85stang":1cijolp1 said:
ToneFreeq89":1cijolp1 said:
I love that song, but his NASA size rig really leaves me mystified.

When was Animals released, '77? In 77 I don't know if he used a MK 1 yet, I'd have to check the article that explains his gear.

I honestly don't know what would get that tone, Strat and David Gilmour's hands are all I can come up with.
77 or 78 I think, I know his rig mystifies us mere mortals, but that tone is sex to my ear Id like to conjure up something close to it :D

It was '77, and he had so much custom made stuff, obscure effects and amps that I could not afford that I couldn't get close to that tone.
 
According to that site his 69 start with stock pickups for middle and neck, dimarzio for bdrige + a mirage of pedals through DR103.

Pedals were:

Pete Cornish Tone pedal
Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face (BC109)
Pete Cornish Custom Fuzz P-1
MXR Phase 100
Univox Uni-Vibe
Dunlop Cry Baby
MXR Dynacomp
(send/return for additional effects)
Pete Cornish volume pedal
(send/return for delays)
MXR Noise Gate/Line Driver

Binson Echorec II
Heil Talk Box (Pigs recording sessions)
Colorsound Power Boost (Pigs and Sheep recording sessions)

He obviously didnt use the fuzz's (I dont think), the phase, the univib or the crybaby. So the tone pdeal, dynacomp & noisegate might of been in play with it... What exatly is the colorsound power boost?
 
Sounds like a strat through a cranked NMV amp with the mids set high. Hiwatt I would guess? I'm sure you can get in that ballpark with a plexi though.
 
The Guitars
Gilmour's main stage guitar is a USA 57 Vintage Reissue Strat fitted with EMG-SA pickups. He has also installed the EMG-EXG expander & SPC midrange presence controls. Apart from the electrics, the only other custom feature is a shortened tremolo arm so that he can keep it in his picking hand more comfortably while playing. Other guitars used live are an Esquire Telecaster in dropped D tuning for Run Like Hell, two Jensen lap steel guitars one tuned to E B E G B E for One Of These Days & the other tuned to D G D G B E for The Great Gig In The Sky. He also uses two Gibson J-200 Celebrity acoustics one tuned in standard & the other in D A D G A D for Poles Apart & a Gibson Chet Atkins Electro Classical. Both the Jensen Lap Steels & the acoustic guitars are fitted with EMG-H pickups. (These are basically a single coil pickup in a humbucker cap).

Strings
On the Strats Gilmour uses GHS Boomers with a customized gauge of (.010 .012 .016 .028 .038 .048) On the acoustics he uses Ernie Ball Earthwound Light's.

How To Gilmour-ize Your Strat
To go along with David Gilmour's taste for pristine Strat tone is his use of EMG active electronic (i.e. battery powered) pickups. Each of his Stratocasters is loaded with low impedance EMG-SA single coils, which he beefs up with two more tone modules: the EXG mid-cut/expander & SPC mid booster. As far as the SA pickups go, they have Alnico magnets which have a little more mid range than the ceramic S magnets. He also has the SPC midrange boost control on there which produces more of a singing humbucker tone. Finally, theres the EXG which David uses alot for rhythm, since it really helps define the notes, especially when there's a little distortion on and he's moving chord voicings around. The EXG works like a V configuration on a graphic EQ when you turn it up, the midrange gets cut, while the bass & treble get boosted. The SPC is where you really here the Gilmour sound emerge. Turn the SPC all the way up & you get that thick bluesy sound used in Shine On.
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The Analogue Footpedals

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(A) Boss CS-2 Compression/Sustainer.
These are no longer available new from Roland. You can only purchase the CS-3 which (to my ear) does not sound as smooth as the CS-2.

(B) Pro Co. Rat II Distortion.
The first generation Rat's distortion, filter & volume knobs yield various Marshally distortion tones.

(C) Cornish Big Muff.
Pete Cornish custom Big Muff. (looks like Pete has taken an original Big Muff and housed it in a custom box). I don't know if this has been modified in any other way.

(D) Boss GE-7 Graphic Equalizer.
This GE-7 has been set to be used in conjunction with the Rat distortion pedal.

(E) Cornish Soft Sustain.
This is obviously a Pete Cornish custom effect. Notice the combination of the GE-7 graphic EQ sliders & the knobs for sustain & volume.

(F) Sovtek Big Muff II.
The Big Muff is a very heavy-vibed fuzz with volume, tone & sustain controls. The muff sounds huge & powerful despite it's feeble tone control range & is looser & more gargantuan than say a Pro Co. Rat II.

(G) Chandler Tube Driver #2.
The Tube Driver offers lots of tight girthy gain and has an openness that sets it apart from other distortion boxes. Features high/low EQ, tube drive & output controls. These later became known as Tube Works Tube Driver.

(H) MXR Dynacomp Compressor.
The Dynacomp has a natural sounding expansion & a nice bright tone to it.

(I) Ibanez CP-9 Compressor.

(J) Boss Metalizer.
No longer available new from Roland.

(K) Chandler Tube Driver #1.
The Tube Driver offers lots of tight girthy gain and has an openness that sets it apart from other distortion boxes. Features high/low EQ, tube drive & output controls. This later became known as Tube Works Tube Driver.

(L) Boss GE-7 Graphic Equalizer.
This GE-7 has been set to boost the top & bottom ranges. Labelled T&B

(M) Boss GE-7 Graphic Equalizer.
This GE-7 has been set to boost the bass ranges. Labelled BASS

(N) Boss GE-7 Graphic Equalizer.
This GE-7 has been set to boost the mid ranges. Labelled MID

The Rack
With Dave Gilmour's rack system we meet a marriage of technologies, old & new. He has always exhibited a preference for older, analogue effects but has had Pete Cornish create a switching system which guarantees ease of use with optimum, low noise performance.

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(A) Furman PL-8 Power Conditioner And Light Controller.
I can only guess that this controls the lights on top of the rack so Dave can see the pedals.

(B) TC. Electronics TC-2290 Dynamic Digital Delay + Effects Control Processor.
This is Dave's primary delay unit. He uses this on most songs.

(C) Uni-Vibe.
The Uni-Vibe unit featues volume & intensity controls, a chorus/vibrato switch & sepearate speed controls for the slow or fast speed options. It also requires a seperate foot switch pedal for fast or slow. Gilmour does not use the chorus option! This effect was originally a footpedal, however Gilmour had his longtime technician Phil Taylor make a rack system out of it. He even had the old logo embossed on the face plate of the new rack.

(D) Digitech IPS-33B Super Harmony Machine.
Diatonic pitch shifter.

(E) Lexicon PCM-70 Digital Effects Processor.
Dave uses the PCM-70 to store the circular delay sounds you hear in Shine On & Time. Because it has a multi tap function it can pretty accurately duplicate the kind of echo Dave used to get from his old Binson echo unit.

(F) MXR Delay System II.
This is another rack system that began life as a footpedal. Phil also added a digital readout that he says is really nowhere close to being an accurate indication of delay time.

(G) Phil Taylor Custom Rack.
This is yet another custom made rack from footpedals. It contains the following effects.
Boss CE-2 Chorus
The original chorus from Boss has rate & depth knobs & sounds sweet, rich & dynamic. There are two CE-2's loaded into this rack one is marked Mono Chorus & the other Left Chorus. (The left chorus is inserted in the signal path for the left channel of Dave's amp setup).
Electric Mistress
The Electric Mistress has rate, range & colour controls, plus a filter matrix switch. This is sort of a bizzarre sounding flanger that gets extremely detuned & twisted.
Tremulator
The Tremulator has speed and depth controls.

(H) Dynachord CL5222 Leslie Simulator.

(I) Samson UHF Dual Receiver.

(J) Peterson Strobe Tuner.



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Other Effects & Equipment
There are a few footpedals & other items which are not pictured or part of Dave's current live rig but have been and still are used by him in the studio.

MXR Phase 90
This was MXR's first effect and only has a speed knob that yields complex, swirly phase textures with silky highs & lots of vocal inflection. Also does decent rotating speaker imitations at higher speeds.

Arbiter Fuzz Face
The classic of classic fuzzes sounds big, deep & bad. The Fuzz Face takes you from clean to insanity with a mere twiddle of your guitars volume knob.

Boss HM-2 Heavy Metal Distortion
An 80's classic Gilmour used on About Face (notably at the end of Murder). It delivers incredibly gutsy grind & tons of deep bass boost. Features low/high and colour mix controls.

Maestro Rover
The Maestro Rover looks like a late 1950's NASA satellite (I will try and get a scan of this thing) but it's a rotating speaker designed to go between your guitar and your amp. This sure fire attention getter has amp & instrument inputs & features volume, speed, slow & fast controls. A crossover routes the upper frequencies through the Rover's amplifier to the rotating speaker, while the lower frequencies are sent to your stage amp.

Orange Treble/Bass Boost.

Heil Voice Box


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The Midi Foot Controller
This Bob Bradshaw designed pedalboard is used to select individual or different preset combinations of effects. This doesn't do the actual switching though. The left side of Dave's rack unit contains his Pete Cornish custom built switcher, which has 24 sends & returns & uses gold plated relays to turn individual effects on and off. In addition to this, it also sends standard MIDI program numbers to the various MIDI processors that are contained in his rack (such as the Lexicon). It can also send almost anything he wants to the rack, such as a delay time or whatever. I'm not sure if he uses any of these features, but it's there.

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(A) TC. Electronics TC-2290 Digital Delay + Effects Control Processor. On/Off

(B) Lexicon PCM-70 Digital Effects Processor. On/Off

(C) Doppola's. On/Off

(D) Leslie. On/Off

(E) Left Chorus (Rack Mounted Boss CE-2). On/Off

(F) Acoustic. On/Off
This seems to be a switch Dave uses to toggle between electric & acoustic setups.

(G) Midi.

(H) Store.

(I) MXR Delay System II. On/Off

(J) Graphic B (Mid). On/Off

(K) Graphic A (Bass). On/Off

(L) Graphic C (T & B). On/Off

(M) Tremulator (Rack Mounted). On/Off

(N) Chorus (Rack Mounted Boss CE-2). On/Off

(O) Univibe. On/Off

(P) Electric Mistress. On/Off

(Q) Chandler Tube Driver #2. On/Off

(R) Sovtek Big Muff. On/Off

(S) Cornish Soft Sustain. On/Off

(T) Pro Co. Rat II. On/Off

(U) Chandler Tube Driver #1. On/Off

(V) Pete Cornish Big Muff. On/Off

(W) Hyper. On/Off
This toggles the Boss Metalizer

(X) Ibanez CP-9 Compressor. On/Off

(Y) Digitech Whammy. On/Off

(Z) Bank Switch.
Selects the bank number for preset sounds.

(1) Preset Numbers. 1/0

(2) Preset Numbers. 2

(3) Preset Numbers. 3

(4) Preset Numbers. 4

(5) MXR Dynacomp Compressor. On/Off

(6) Boss CS-2 Compressor. On/Off

(7) Doppola's. Slow/Fast
Selects which speed the doppola's rotate at.

(8) Leslie. Slow/Fast
Selects the speed of the Dynachord CL5222 Leslie Speaker Simulator.

(9) Univibe. Slow/Fast
Selects the speed of the univibe rotating speaker simulator.

(10) Ernie Ball Volume Pedal.

(11) Digitech Whammy Pedal.


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FX Facts
Despite the apparent complexity of Dave Gilmour's set up, the actual contents of each track may come as something of a surprise. Essentially his sound is fairly clean, choosing different distortion units to add their characteristic sound to his signal. As an example, to reproduce the track Money from Dark Side Of The Moon live in concert, Gilmour uses this effects combination.

Main Riff: Pete Cornish Soft Sustain with Chandler Tube Driver #2.

Solo: Boss CS-2 Compressor with Chandler Tube Driver #1, Sovtek Big Muff & TC Electronics digital delay.

Solo (Dry Sound): Chandler Tube Driver #1 with Pro Co. Rat II Distortion.


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The Amplification

Preamp
After journeying through the rack system the signal meets an alembic F2-B bass guitar preamp. This has been modified with an extra tube, lowered output impedance & a different capacitor to help cut the low end.

Amps
Gilmour has always been a fan of Hi-Watt amps, tending to use AP-100 watt heads on stage and combo's in the studio. Live three of the heads are used as power amps & another three are used as slaves. All use Mullard E-34 valves which are desperately difficult to get a hold of these days, but Floyd head of backline Phil Taylor still has a cupboard full!

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(A) Right channel output to 4x12's 1+10 8 ohm.
I am guessing that (1+10) refers to channel inputs on a mixer i.e. channel 1 left, channel 10 right.

(B) Left channel output to 4x12's 2+9 8 ohm.
Again (2+9) could be channel 2 right, channel 9 left. If this is the case then Dave could have, for instance, channels 1+2 as a stereo pair for the Marshalls & channels 9+10 as a stereo pair for the WEM's.

(C) Spare AP-100.

(D) Output to Heil Voice Box via Pete Cornish Dummy Load Box 8 ohm.

(E) Output to Doppola's 87, 88 8 ohm.

(F) Output to Doppola 89 8 ohm.


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Speaker Cabinets & Doppola's

Speaker Cabinets
The right channel Hi-Watt powers a WEM 4x12 which is loaded with Fane Cresendo speakers and a Marshall loaded with Celestion speakers. A second Hi-Watt does the same thing for the left channel which also carries a chorused signal from a Boss CE-2 Chorus. (See Footpedals Incorporated Into A Rack Space). In the second rack, one AP-100 feeds the Jim Dunlop Heil Voice Box, another feeds Doppola's 87 & 88 (8 ohm) & a third feeds Doppola 89 (16 ohm).

Doppola's
These rotating speaker units were designed by Phil Taylor & Paul Leader to provide Gilmour with that 'Leslie' effect on his guitar. Leslie cabinets themselves might have seemed the obvious choice, but Gilmour was after a slightly different sound. In the studio he had been using Maestro Rover units which are revolving full range speakers but they are too low powered for live use and so the Doppola's were born. Three units are used on stage each loaded with two six inch 100 watt drivers.

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(A) Marshall 4x12 cabinet with Celestion speakers.

(B) WEM 4x12 cabinet with Fane Cresendo speakers.

(C) Custom Doppola rotating speakers.



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Signal Flow

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The articles presented here are taken from Guitar Techniques June 1996, Guitar Shop Vol. 3 NO. 6, Guitar Player June 1995, Guitar World Sep 1994.

All live gear photos are by Richard Ecclestone, Guitar Techniques Magazine.





I hope this helps some. :thumbsup:


http://utopia.ision.nl/users/ptr/pfloyd/interview/equipment.html








On a side note.


Pete Cornish still makes his pedalboard.

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http://www.petecornish.co.uk/gilmouralltube.html
 
trey85stang":35hlqn3e said:
According to that site his 69 start with stock pickups for middle and neck, dimarzio for bdrige + a mirage of pedals through DR103.

Pedals were:

Pete Cornish Tone pedal
Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face (BC109)
Pete Cornish Custom Fuzz P-1
MXR Phase 100
Univox Uni-Vibe
Dunlop Cry Baby
MXR Dynacomp
(send/return for additional effects)
Pete Cornish volume pedal
(send/return for delays)
MXR Noise Gate/Line Driver

Binson Echorec II
Heil Talk Box (Pigs recording sessions)
Colorsound Power Boost (Pigs and Sheep recording sessions)

He obviously didnt use the fuzz's (I dont think), the phase, the univib or the crybaby. So the tone pdeal, dynacomp & noisegate might of been in play with it... What exatly is the colorsound power boost?

colorsound_powerboost_001.jpg


http://filters.muziq.be/model/colorsound/powerboost


Original site.
http://www.colorsound.co.uk/product_full.asp?productID=560&typeID=27&catID=5





The new one.


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Colorsound Overdriver

Making its debut in 1972, the Colorsound Overdriver picks up where the Power Boost left off. The two are pedals are fairly similar, but not quite the same. In addition to the cosmetic differences there were some circuit changes as well. This version of the Overdriver uses three BC349B transistors and has some nice WIMA capacitors and a couple of tropical fish... sweet! This particular pedal is the first version of the Overdriver, made between '73 and '76, and is fairly rare. It's in excellent playing condition. Cosmetically, it might rate 8 out of 10, with some paint rust that is typical on many vintage Colorsound pedals. Jeff Beck is supposed to have used the Overdriver on some of his early '70s recordings.
Okay, about the sound... well, let me express this in no uncertain terms... this pedal is LETHAL! This thing will kick the living daylights out of the front end of your amp. With the drive knob all the way down, it sounds like most power boosters do with the drive all the way UP (warning: do not use on a solid-state amplifier). Start turning the drive up and you'll hear a sound coming out of your amp you never heard before (my little Blackface Princeton Reverb is still recovering). Total relentless tube saturation. The Treble and Bass controls allow some tonal sculpting of the sonic mayhem. Lots o’ fun, and LOUD, LOUD, LOUD.


http://www.fmogearshop.com/detail.php?invID=109




But you could go with this. I'm probably going to pick up one of these after I have my DS-1 modded by Keeley. I have the TS-9 Baked and love it.

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http://gundrymedia.typepad.com/throbak_electronics/
 
SgtThump":yhfrnebq said:
Not dissing Gilmour at all, but I think that size of a rig is ridiculous. His tones don't seem all that unique to me. I mean, his playing is beautiful and I love it, but it seems like you could easily get his tones with a Fender Twin and a handful of pedals, right? Am I the only one that thinks that???

PS - I most familiar with DSOTM, The Wall, and Momentary Lapse of Reason. Never owned any others, but know what I hear on the radio and stuff.

Yeah from hearing his tone I would think his setup would be much more simple! But I really dig the Gilmour tone, but I am pretty sure its achievable with half the equipment he runs. Heck, even EJ's setup isn't as complicated and his tone is :inlove:
 
SgtThump":3tj5skt2 said:
Not dissing Gilmour at all, but I think that size of a rig is ridiculous. His tones don't seem all that unique to me. I mean, his playing is beautiful and I love it, but it seems like you could easily get his tones with a Fender Twin and a handful of pedals, right? Am I the only one that thinks that???

PS - I most familiar with DSOTM, The Wall, and Momentary Lapse of Reason. Never owned any others, but know what I hear on the radio and stuff.

banned for not thinking gilmours tone is godly :aww: :aww: :gethim:

also that post was great, I think I will be building a hiwatt clone.. of course I will have to forgo the mullard's since they would set me back almost more then the whole amp would cost anyways :doh:
 
SgtThump":1kf3wlf3 said:
Not dissing Gilmour at all, but I think that size of a rig is ridiculous. His tones don't seem all that unique to me. I mean, his playing is beautiful and I love it, but it seems like you could easily get his tones with a Fender Twin and a handful of pedals, right? Am I the only one that thinks that???

PS - I most familiar with DSOTM, The Wall, and Momentary Lapse of Reason. Never owned any others, but know what I hear on the radio and stuff.

Personally I think his tone/playing is the best it ever was on Animals, the album the OP's video was from. The album is absolutely incredible, and a must have Floyd disc.

Personally I think his tones are incredible, and if he thinks it takes a huge ass rig to get them, more power to him. It's not like he needs to worry about paying for it.
 
I just searched on YouTube for David Gilmour and i found , Daron Malakian versus David Gilmour in round 1 of the battle of guitar legends. :bleh: :bleh: :bleh:

First off, when did the dirtbag from System of a Down become a "legend"? Has the guy ever played 1 fucking solo?

The noobery on YouTube makes me want to give up on humanity. :doh:
 
SgtThump":2agebm5b said:
Not dissing Gilmour at all, but I think that size of a rig is ridiculous. His tones don't seem all that unique to me. I mean, his playing is beautiful and I love it, but it seems like you could easily get his tones with a Fender Twin and a handful of pedals, right? Am I the only one that thinks that???

PS - I most familiar with DSOTM, The Wall, and Momentary Lapse of Reason. Never owned any others, but know what I hear on the radio and stuff.

It would seem an easy tone to copy but i haven't really heard many people at all nail it. My favorite stuff is from The Wall and Dark Side. The lead tone on Comfortably Numb is just incredible.
 
danyeo":1p4ppsex said:
I just searched on YouTube for David Gilmour and i found , Daron Malakian versus David Gilmour in round 1 of the battle of guitar legends. :bleh: :bleh: :bleh:

First off, when did the dirtbag from System of a Down become a "legend"? Has the guy ever played 1 fucking solo?

The noobery on YouTube makes me want to give up on humanity. :doh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W6hBI1SAL4

is the first vid that shows up for me... and speaking of tone.. man that is magical tone and playing by the man.
 
SgtThump":1kadgoxt said:
Isn't he known for plugging his guitar straight into the mixing board in the studio for some stuff?

I think his tone is great, but it doesn't sound that hard to achieve to me. No offense! ;)


Not too sure on the mixing board, but I know he uses a HiWatt combo for recording. In the DVD Remember that Night he states that, being that it may just be for the recording of On an Island, but I would assume that he used that setup in most of his career since his sound hasn't really changed that much.


and BTW his tone is godly. Just listen to the first opening tracks from On an Island. :thumbsup:
 
I was surprised by the amt of gain and tones he got in "Live at Pompeii" video. 1972 and those Hiwatts were rockin!
 
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