Dear Peter & all of Diezel

[glpg80]

I want to extend my deepest appologies for being a downer of Diezel on this forum for so many years based off of what i have heard from a Herbert. I can honestly say that you listen to your customers and have delivered in tonal area's that i have never looked before.

i currently gas for one of your Einstein's and cannot wait to have the chance to own one

i would also love to know more about the herbert MkII that has more of a cutting attitude, since i was told that the herbert is similar to an einstein

i know for a fact that every amplifier is not for everybody, but you deliver the goods in keeping diversification with your customers and you are honest in your reasoning, mad props!

cannot wait to become part of the Diezel Family, either with an Einstein (most likely) or a herbert mkII if i can get HQ clips or more testimonies from owners of it in the future

Danke!

-Matt

 

[slyvren]

I don't think Diezel holds grudges.



Honestly, if you don't dig Herbie don't try too hard to like something that doesn't fit your taste. However, I would give it a fair shot and play through one yourself with the proper guitars and speaker cabinets. People might just have a tendency to set them up with a sound you don't dig. It's a very versatile amp. Why don't you check out VH4? Einstein is really an incredible amp as well. I don't know what you didn't like about Herbert so it's hard to say. It really depends on what you're looking for in an amp. We all hear different things in our heads as far as what we want out of an amp.


Good Luck... and welcome to the German Dark Side.

-John

I want to extend my deepest appologies for being a downer of Diezel on this forum for so many years based off of what i have heard from a Herbert. I can honestly say that you listen to your customers and have delivered in tonal area's that i have never looked before.

i currently gas for one of your Einstein's and cannot wait to have the chance to own one

i would also love to know more about the herbert MkII that has more of a cutting attitude, since i was told that the herbert is similar to an einstein

i know for a fact that every amplifier is not for everybody, but you deliver the goods in keeping diversification with your customers and you are honest in your reasoning, mad props!

cannot wait to become part of the Diezel Family, either with an Einstein (most likely) or a herbert mkII if i can get HQ clips or more testimonies from owners of it in the future

Danke!

-Matt

 

[glpg80]

i LOVE how the Diezel's record. i didnt like that the Herbie did not fair too well live in a band setting.....a 1x12 JCM800 walked all over it and made the herbert disappear live. the only things that stood out were the cleans and when the guy would go to solo and click on a bunch of boosts.

i have listened to bands who i know used a herbert in a recording atmosphere and they excel there, so since peter said he revoiced it to have a more cutting attitude, i see no reason why i shouldnt give it another chance

the VH4 everyone loves - but im going to be brutally honest here and say its not enough gain for me on channel 3 - im coming from a 5150, so keep that in mind. great amplifier, just not my style of voicing or preference.

the einstein seems to be right at that sweet spot for me - a little more gain than a stock SLO and i can definately deal with that, having played a SLO before thats more than enough for me.

i also like a little comression and clarity in the gain and the einstein seems to deliver this better than the VH4's channel 3, im not a fan of channel 4.

but yes, i seriously believe Peter builds a better amplifier than all of Engl and most other custom companies combined, there is no reason why i should go anywhere else - Diezel deliver's the goods and does it well

 

[Peter Diezel]

Thank You so much for the kind words, Matt !

Concerning Your Herbert please send me an
email to peterdiezel (at) diezelamplification (dot) com.

We can solve any issue.

Best regards,

Peter

 

[slyvren]

Before you disregard VH4 check out 2007-2010 vh4 or 2011 vh4. They have more gain and are voiced a little differently. My buddy has 6505+ and I'm pretty sure I have more gain than him with my '08 unless he boosts. It also has more gain than Einstein channel 1 mode 3. I own both Einstein and vh4 and if you play fast, cutting, or percussive riffs then vh4 will usually win. Although, if you're looking for more of SLO style sound.. Einstein is definitely for you. Also, most of the time Herbert doesn't cut live is because user error. Mid-cut in a live setting has to be used with great care usually thats the only place guitars are heard well live. Recording is a different story entirely. These guys are usually trying to set the amp up like they do in their bedroom or in a recording studio. Bad mistake for band mix.

Yes sir. The inside of Peter's amps are masterpieces. You can look inside and tell the build quality. He cuts no corners and makes the best amp possible. I think you'll find a nice home at Diezel and honestly after owning your first one.. You'll probably want to own them all.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Einy will f$&&k you up!

 

[racerevlon]

Not enough gain on VH4 Channel 3?

 

[Ventura]

Not enough gain on VH4 Channel 3?

Agreed... Dude, there's MADNESS when it comes to Ch.3's gain. Don't forget, a lot of the clips you've been listening to have the gain rolled back for recording purposes. Shit man, you get into 2 o'clock territory and beyond??? It'll fry yer sperm dawg!!

Oh ya, and then there's Ch.4

Trust me, the VH4 delivers gain IN SPADES m'man, but hey, if Einy is floating yer boat, so be it... He's a beast all the same. Diezel KICK ASS - period.

Good luck in the wait!!
V.

 

[glassjaw7]

I'm telling you, once Diezel is in your blood you can't get it out! Peter's amps have the most addicting feel ever!

 

[glpg80]

Not enough gain on VH4 Channel 3?

Agreed... Dude, there's MADNESS when it comes to Ch.3's gain. Don't forget, a lot of the clips you've been listening to have the gain rolled back for recording purposes. Shit man, you get into 2 o'clock territory and beyond??? It'll fry yer sperm dawg!!

Oh ya, and then there's Ch.4

Trust me, the VH4 delivers gain IN SPADES m'man, but hey, if Einy is floating yer boat, so be it... He's a beast all the same. Diezel KICK ASS - period.

Good luck in the wait!!
V.

i hate channels 2 and 4, with that much coin i wont settle for less - so the extra gain would need to be made up in the voicing of channel 3 and honestly its not enough.

definately prefer the einstein both in voicing, gain on tap, similarity to tones i like now for sure, and the way it tracks

 

[stefvorcide]

I'm glad you like einey !!

 

[thiswaythatway]

I want to extend my deepest appologies for being a downer of Diezel on this forum for so many years based off of what i have heard from a Herbert. I can honestly say that you listen to your customers and have delivered in tonal area's that i have never looked before.

i currently gas for one of your Einstein's and cannot wait to have the chance to own one

i would also love to know more about the herbert MkII that has more of a cutting attitude, since i was told that the herbert is similar to an einstein

i know for a fact that every amplifier is not for everybody, but you deliver the goods in keeping diversification with your customers and you are honest in your reasoning, mad props!

cannot wait to become part of the Diezel Family, either with an Einstein (most likely) or a herbert mkII if i can get HQ clips or more testimonies from owners of it in the future

Danke!

-Matt

Buy mine.

 

[glassjaw7]

Dan, you have a Diezel? Didn't know. You record good clips. Got any?

 

[Bartek]

I'm telling you, once Diezel is in your blood you can't get it out! Peter's amps have the most addicting feel ever!

that´s sad but true.
i bought my einstein 2009 and the next one is appointed.

 

[Ventura]

Not enough gain on VH4 Channel 3?

Agreed... Dude, there's MADNESS when it comes to Ch.3's gain. Don't forget, a lot of the clips you've been listening to have the gain rolled back for recording purposes. Shit man, you get into 2 o'clock territory and beyond??? It'll fry yer sperm dawg!!

Oh ya, and then there's Ch.4

Trust me, the VH4 delivers gain IN SPADES m'man, but hey, if Einy is floating yer boat, so be it... He's a beast all the same. Diezel KICK ASS - period.

Good luck in the wait!!
V.

i hate channels 2 and 4, with that much coin i wont settle for less - so the extra gain would need to be made up in the voicing of channel 3 and honestly its not enough.

definately prefer the einstein both in voicing, gain on tap, similarity to tones i like now for sure, and the way it tracks

Well, hey, to each their own, right? I mean, if it was all that and then some, Peter would be a "one amp operation", but there are reasons for the Diezel "line" of amps - a little something for everyone. I love my VH4S, I can't imagine ever getting tired of it - but ya know?? There are peeps who say the same thing about their Schmidt's, their Einy's, their Herb's and so forth - so it's all good. If you found YOUR tone, then damn straight rock on

V.

 

[MARK2C]

Not enough gain on VH4 Channel 3?

Agreed... Dude, there's MADNESS when it comes to Ch.3's gain. Don't forget, a lot of the clips you've been listening to have the gain rolled back for recording purposes. Shit man, you get into 2 o'clock territory and beyond??? It'll fry yer sperm dawg!!

Oh ya, and then there's Ch.4

Trust me, the VH4 delivers gain IN SPADES m'man, but hey, if Einy is floating yer boat, so be it... He's a beast all the same. Diezel KICK ASS - period.

Good luck in the wait!!
V.

i hate channels 2 and 4, with that much coin i wont settle for less - so the extra gain would need to be made up in the voicing of channel 3 and honestly its not enough.

definately prefer the einstein both in voicing, gain on tap, similarity to tones i like now for sure, and the way it tracks

I would say that up to 2004 that would be an almost acceptable statement of the VH4's gain capabilities, but the newer amps from 2005-2006 and the most recent 2007-2010
amps have a much better voicing and gain structure on Ch.2, 3 and 4. From 2007 on, Ch. 2 breaks up like a JTM 45 to a JCM-800 with the gain between 1:00 and 4:00. The newer channel 3, as Mo said will damage reproductive systems, opposed to the older versions needing to be dimed. As for Channel 4, it still seems very similar to the Classic models, but you can spend a little time lowering the gain and adjusting the tone controls and you can get VERY close to channel 3 with the exception of slightly less midrange.
I feel with the amps evolution we can now stop sticking on Channel 3. It's a waste of a superior amp if you do. For some time people though the VH4 was a four channel amp
with only one of the best overdrive channels around, but now it is truly a super four channel amp. So, when you take your rig photo's show a little love for Ch. 1,2 and 4.

 

[Ventura]

I've got a late 2009 model VH4S. It's voiced amazingly well - a work of art. Oddly enough, my love for Channel 2 is growing everytime I play it - there's so much it offers... As for Channel 1, I need to upgrade a V-pre, as it's getting a bit fizzy (to be expected), but otherwise, Ch.2 has go the goods (think Aenima from Tool - exact voicing for that song!!). As for Channel 4, I work the EQ, careful with the mic versus room sound - I've come to realize that with proper mids and presence, it's exactly what it should be - a searing hot, over-the-top version of the notorious and beloved Channel 3.

I run mine with hot 6550's. It's awesome. Chinese/Shuguang 12AX7B's. No going back.

Just sayin',
V.

 

[glpg80]

what sold me also on an einstein was not only its voicing and gain level being close to a SLO, but also its method of attack/tracking capabilities. it seems to handle itself amazingly well and might sound a little thin /unfullfilling for lack of better words by itself, but when mixed in with bass/drums/and guitar, it sits in the mix perfectly well.

i would compare the einstein as a better sounding elmwood M90/german voicing and slightly more gain/compression than a SLO but lacking the VH4 fullness.

however jumping to a VH4 you change gain styles - the einstein seems to be a herbert brother to my ears, but herberts are too over the top and there is something that changes drastically between an einstein and a herbert that i greatly dislike - i hear similarities to a herbert and a rhodes amplifier - neither of which i care for at all and i have heard a herbert in a band setting and if a peavey vypyr was being miced instead i would not have known the difference - it was NOT good. a $5k amplifier should not have the ability to sound bad at any setting, which is why i would take my 5150 over one anyday.

einstein on the other hand compared to a SLO it held its own and tracked great. seems to be the closest thing to what i prefer and i am used to (5150) - VH4's do sound great but for my interests and what i look for in an amplifier theres something about the VH4 voicing i dont like.

the other thing i dont like about VH4's is that there are so many versions that exist and revisions, but no clear representation of what each sounds like from Diezel so that when you are shopping used, you have the ability to do research and choose what you need and looking for - and even shopping new - having the ability to order "revision X" from the factory would be nice - but its not possible.

for $4,000+ my expectations go up tremendously - i just dont see a VH4 cutting the bill. there are too many question marks, and question marks are not good. einstein on the other hand is half that price used, and einstein is an einstein - nothing more or nothing less. WYSIWYG which is another thing i like about 5150's - you have a pretty good idea of what you are getting

 

[glpg80]

I want to extend my deepest appologies for being a downer of Diezel on this forum for so many years based off of what i have heard from a Herbert. I can honestly say that you listen to your customers and have delivered in tonal area's that i have never looked before.

i currently gas for one of your Einstein's and cannot wait to have the chance to own one

i would also love to know more about the herbert MkII that has more of a cutting attitude, since i was told that the herbert is similar to an einstein

i know for a fact that every amplifier is not for everybody, but you deliver the goods in keeping diversification with your customers and you are honest in your reasoning, mad props!

cannot wait to become part of the Diezel Family, either with an Einstein (most likely) or a herbert mkII if i can get HQ clips or more testimonies from owners of it in the future

Danke!

-Matt

Buy mine.

unless you accept pocket lint and bread crumbs thats a no go

 

[Underground]

"a $5k amplifier should not have the ability to sound bad at any setting"
Hmmmmmm..............
Let me think a moment. Just because someone can drop 5K on an amp, doesn't mean they have the skills to make it sing.
And never underestimate the ability of "artists" to create a hot mess out of nearly anything.
You have an opinion re: certain Diezel amps, this is clear. Everyone is entitled. Your specious arguments diminishing the value of these amps, however, reveals some agenda. It's alright to have your own preference in tone. It can end there. Nothing is gained by pissing on other options that are well regarded by many in the forum in which you are posting.
Just my opinion.