Diezel 4x12 question

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Hi can some of you Diezel owners chime in on the overall difference between the front and the rear loaded Diezel 4x12 cabs , also what speakers do you prefer the vintage 30's or the custom Diezel speakers ?

Is the front loaded alot tigher and more modern ? or... are they more similar that I am thinking ?

I am planning on getting another VH4 and thought maybe I'd try a Diezel cab this time .

Any help would be greatly appreciated :thumbsup:

Oh , also I am planning on using this rig primarily for a somewhat modern type of Shred style .
 
Please do some research on board, there has been a lot of talk about the cabs before :)

The make it short. For the VH4 I strongly recommend a frontloaded cab with either G12K100 or a mix of V30 and G12K100. A pure V30 FL is extremely mid heavy and complex chords are hard to tell apart.
The rearloaded didn't work with the VH4 at all imo. Just didn't sound good.

By the way: The Diezel Custom speakers a no longer made. You can now choose either V30 oder G12K100.
 
Thanks for the info . :yes:

I will do some searching also to see what I can find .
 
I've been perfectly happy with my VH4 and rear-loaded V30 cab... Compared it to the front loaded one and I definitely liked the rear better.
 
Well, in the end it's all a matter of taste.

I can only tell you what I experienced when I visited Peter Stapfer this spring.
 
Either way you decide to go, I would recommend a mixture of two speakers. G12K-100 + V30 for the front loaded cab, or G12H30 + V30 for the rear loaded. I just like the way these pairs seem to create the sonic texture that I like, given their frequency response.

Just personal preference!
 
2 rear loaded oversized 2x12s with v30s in one & EVM12Ls in the other with the VH4 or Herbert or pretty much anything else.
Will put your 4x12 to shame. :D Again in my opinion only.
 
Imo rearloaded cabs just can't handle the power coming from the VH4. I tried different rearloaded cabs with my VH4. A pair of custom build 2x12 with Eminence Governors, a Diezel V30 RL and a bunch of Marshalls and whatever cabs that came across when I played gigs with my band. All rearloaded cabs had the same problem. They sounded (depending on the speakers and cab) from OK to great when I stood at max about 2m away from the cab. But the further I moved away the worse it got and when I stood 5m away from the cab all low frequencies were gone and the high mid screaming was nasty.
I talked to Peter Stapfer about this problem and he told me that this is a very common problem with rearloaded cabs because of phasing issues. Espacially with the VH4 because it has extremely strong low mids. That is what gets the cabs into trouble. Not the bass frequencies.
If you use a frontloaded cab were the metal speaker frame is mounted directly to the wood and the cab itself is a lot more stiff because of the overall construction you get a much tighter response and don't loose so many frequencies.
I heard that myself when I was in Dillingen. The frontloaded cab hab so much more punch and was a lot more defined and a lot tigher even when I stood 6 or 7 meters away. We had the VH4's master up to 2/3 to 3/4 and the frontloaded cab still did very good whereas the rearloaded seamed to collapse.

I can only recommend to carefully think about what you want to do with the cab (playing at home, gigging) and what type of music your are going to play. And then trying out as many cabs as possible.
For gigging I personally would never ever use a rearloaded cab again because it will sound different on each spot of the stage and if you have bad luck you get a standing wave somewhere in the crowd or in the singers spot and both won't like you for this.
 
Jaymz82":1r6482lg said:
Imo rearloaded cabs just can't handle the power coming from the VH4. I tried different rearloaded cabs with my VH4. A pair of custom build 2x12 with Eminence Governors, a Diezel V30 RL and a bunch of Marshalls and whatever cabs that came across when I played gigs with my band. All rearloaded cabs had the same problem. They sounded (depending on the speakers and cab) from OK to great when I stood at max about 2m away from the cab. But the further I moved away the worse it got and when I stood 5m away from the cab all low frequencies were gone and the high mid screaming was nasty.
I talked to Peter Stapfer about this problem and he told me that this is a very common problem with rearloaded cabs because of phasing issues. Espacially with the VH4 because it has extremely strong low mids. That is what gets the cabs into trouble. Not the bass frequencies.
If you use a frontloaded cab were the metal speaker frame is mounted directly to the wood and the cab itself is a lot more stiff because of the overall construction you get a much tighter response and don't loose so many frequencies.
I heard that myself when I was in Dillingen. The frontloaded cab hab so much more punch and was a lot more defined and a lot tigher even when I stood 6 or 7 meters away. We had the VH4's master up to 2/3 to 3/4 and the frontloaded cab still did very good whereas the rearloaded seamed to collapse.

I can only recommend to carefully think about what you want to do with the cab (playing at home, gigging) and what type of music your are going to play. And then trying out as many cabs as possible.
For gigging I personally would never ever use a rearloaded cab again because it will sound different on each spot of the stage and if you have bad luck you get a standing wave somewhere in the crowd or in the singers spot and both won't like you for this.
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Like you said, it depends on what style of music you play I guess! Here's some great VH4 tone with rear loaded cabs... https://www.myspace.com/lynam

Listen to "It's all In My Head" (great solo too) and "Lyndsay Says"
 
I love the rear loadeds with V30's so much I bought two. I have no problems with my Vh4. Just need to set the EQ's right and it sounds huge IMO. Not so crazy about my front loaded, but I think it has to do with the speakers. I belive it has eminence speakers no V30's or other better speakers, so I probably will be swapping them out

Pic but minus the Herbert, I sold it and got another hot rodded Vh4 coming this week. I tried to get into the herbert and even wasted the money on the SED winged EL34's but just kept A/bing it with the Vh4S I have and the Vh4S is just more my alley I guess :confused:

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Why does it seem like you always post pics even if it's not related to the question? :confused:
 
So sean...... hot rodded VH4? what does it have under the hood?? :D
 
scottph":1oyn4ape said:
Why does it seem like you always post pics even if it's not related to the question? :confused:
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It shows what cabs I have here scott
 
Yeah, but so do your other pics, and it doesn't really show rl vs. fl. ;)
 
scottph":2vyt9t0y said:
Yeah, but so do your other pics, and it doesn't really show rl vs. fl. ;)
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I see a FL and a 2 RLs. :thumbsup:

I like seeing pics in any case. :rock:
 
Jaymz82":3udib6p8 said:
By the way: The Diezel Custom speakers a no longer made. You can now choose either V30 oder G12K100.
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How come are they no longer made !?! I wanted one so bad !
 
Peter S. told me that they got worse and worse with each shipment and in the end the just didn't sound good at all and Peter even almost cut one finger of because of a sharp edge on the speaker's chassis. :thumbsdown:
 
mhenson42":w2ukjzsg said:
scottph":w2ukjzsg said:
Yeah, but so do your other pics, and it doesn't really show rl vs. fl. ;)
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I see a FL and a 2 RLs. :thumbsup:

I like seeing pics in any case. :rock:
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It's not like they're scarce in Seans case...that being the major point, but nevermind...
 
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