Diezel einstein tone trouble...peter help!

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Ok, just got my einstein, have had it for a week now...My problem...Not enough good midrange, treble is fizzy and overly trebly, bass is hollow or (too much and woofy or too thin). Here smy settings (2nd channel)

gain 11:30, treble 9:00 mid 3:00 bass 9:00, presence off and deep at 9 o clock.

have tried all combinations of el34 and 6l6.


I like it, but I jam with a guy who owns a mesa boogie mark IV, and the diezel is thinner, fuzzier, and doesnt cut through, all tubes are fine, biased correctly. I need help, I know the diezel stuff has better potential than this, peter what can we do? NO good lead tones here.
 
What cab are you using? I had similar problems with my VH4, all caused by a cab that couldn't handle the power the VH4 produces.
 
Turn your presence UP and go from there. Keep the Deep control moderately low/medium for humbuckers. Its not like a Marshall where turning off the presence can actually be a good thing!

It should be blowing that Mark IV out of the water with no problem. I've had both and I sold my Mark IV because of it's sterile sound compared to the Diezel. I even compared the lead channels and the Einstein was much better. NOTE: You don't need to crank the gain on Ch2 or Mode3 to get great saturated tones. I usually keep my gain on Mode3 just a little past noon with the Channel Volume at like 10 o'clock and the Master at noon. (I know its loud!)Lead tone gain can be kept even lower.

Also, mess with the preamp and power amp volumes for different textures:
DECREASE Channel Volume (preamp) while INCREASING Master Volume for LESS compression

or

INCREASE Channel Volume (preamp) while DECREASING Master Volume for MORE compression

Other than that, just mess with the EQ a little. For Channel 1 you might could start with Treble/Mids/Bass ALL at noon, and gradually boost your Mids and Bass to what you prefer. I usually have mids higher than bass.

This is all subjective and really depends on your cab and speakers. What are you running through?

Best of luck.
 
An older crate cab with stock speakers, borrowing from a friend until I can buy a good cab (with c90's or diezel speakers perhaps).

Im sure this has a good bit to do with my problem.
 
The cab is your only problem, friend. :) Gotta get some good speakers AND a well built cab. I'd personally try to find a Diezel or Bogner cab since you spent so much money on the amp. You'd be amazed at the sonic difference compared to most popular brands or even to other boutique stuff.

Just my 2 cents.

Personally I prefer G12H30 speakers or V30's, although I haven't had as much experience as I would like with other Celestion speakers. I will tell you that I absolutely hated the C90 speakers with my Diezel, but that was an open-back cab...so its not really a fair statement to make.

Let us know what you think about the Einstein when you get a new cab. And Rock on! :rawk:
 
Cool. Thats what I was hoping to hear...Cause right now it seems like its overloading this cab and being woofy and squeely. Well cool dudes, Ill start saving. I really love this diezel stuff and may go for a 2x12 diezel cab. How are there speakers?

And just for cool sake, andyone got any sound clips of a recorded einstein on a good cab? primarily lead tones?
 
fatbagg":1pdlw01s said:
Cool. Thats what I was hoping to hear...Cause right now it seems like its overloading this cab and being woofy and squeely. Well cool dudes, Ill start saving. I really love this diezel stuff and may go for a 2x12 diezel cab. How are there speakers?

And just for cool sake, andyone got any sound clips of a recorded einstein on a good cab? primarily lead tones?
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A Diezel 2x12 would be a GREAT choice. I've heard great things about the Diezel custom speakers, but I KNOW V30's sound good regardless of what people say. As far as the harsh mid-range/high-range "spikes" that people say are associated with V30's, I believe these are only found in NEW speakers. Speakers are going to break in and become very warm. I'll record some clips for you sometime in the next day or two when I have the time so you can hear the G12H30's and V30's in a Diezel 4x12. :)
 
Actually I'll be on the road for the weekend and might not be able to get to recording some clips until Monday or so... :aww:
 
fatbagg":2bds12yi said:
Ok, just got my einstein, have had it for a week now...My problem...Not enough good midrange, treble is fizzy and overly trebly, bass is hollow or (too much and woofy or too thin). Here smy settings (2nd channel)

gain 11:30, treble 9:00 mid 3:00 bass 9:00, presence off and deep at 9 o clock.

have tried all combinations of el34 and 6l6.


I like it, but I jam with a guy who owns a mesa boogie mark IV, and the diezel is thinner, fuzzier, and doesnt cut through, all tubes are fine, biased correctly. I need help, I know the diezel stuff has better potential than this, peter what can we do? NO good lead tones here.
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Normally the Einstein has a fat lowend and don´t sounds fizzy.
Please use Your friends cab to find out if the amp is ok.
 
The Diezel Custom speakers aren't made anymore. Peter S. told me about them getting worse and worse so that he decided to stop ordering them. He now uses V30 and G12K-100. I really recommend the combination of both. The G12K-100 alone might sound to linear and some might call it sterile. The V30 adds some nice mids without overpowering the G12K100 with its spiky high mid and not so nice highs.
I recently got myself one of the new cabs with this combination. Amazing sound!
 
Ill be buying a diezel cab then, soon. Maybe there is something wrong with the one I bought, is there any way to check, or anything I can do? How can I find out if there is a problem with my amp? (other than the cab.)
 
Only thing I can think of is to try the amp with a cabinet you know is good. Your buddy happen to have a Mesa cab w/ that Mark IV of his? Even some Marshall cabs would sound decent. You could bring it into a Guitar Center and try a cab w/ V30's or something...maybe a Mesa or Marshall 4x12? Won't sound as good as a Diezel/Bogner cab, but the Mesa won't be too far off.

Best of Luck
 
Fattbag, try a good V30 cabinet.

I played my VH4 on old Marshall cabinets (4x12) , then bought a Engl V30 cabinet (4x12) and was amazed how much better it sounded. More mids (tone!!), sweeter highs and MUCH more and BETTER lowend. The Marshall cabinets just sound thin and far away.
One of my guitarplayers plays his 5150, but sometimes his Mark 4. The VH4 slays them both, even the guitarplayer admits.

Overall a more balanced and direkt sound with a good V30 cabinet.

Funny thing is the VH4 with 1 (one) Engl V30 cabinet sound bigger, tighter and more direkt than the 5150/Mark4 with 2 (two) Marshal 4x12 cabinets.
 
KillDivision":4ehlbgzx said:
Fattbag, try a good V30 cabinet.

I played my VH4 on old Marshall cabinets (4x12) , then bought a Engl V30 cabinet (4x12) and was amazed how much better it sounded. More mids (tone!!), sweeter highs and MUCH more and BETTER lowend. The Marshall cabinets just sound thin and far away.
One of my guitarplayers plays his 5150, but sometimes his Mark 4. The VH4 slays them both, even the guitarplayer admits.

Overall a more balanced and direkt sound with a good V30 cabinet.

Funny thing is the VH4 with 1 (one) Engl V30 cabinet sound bigger, tighter and more direkt than the 5150/Mark4 with 2 (two) Marshal 4x12 cabinets.
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I can't agree with you more! :rock:
 
I'm not playing guitar in my band, but sponsor one of the 2 guitarplayers with the VH4. :D

Both guitarplayers have their cabinets facing the drummer, same volume, same angle. Standing behind the drummer while the band is playing, the Diezel is always more present simply because it has more tone, and it's tone is so well balanced.
The drummer loves the Diezel because thats his monitor in the rehearsalroom.

The compression on Ch.3 together with the huge grit of the distortion (no beezz here!) makes it always present.

We are recording a new album as we speak. Drums (midi, Roland TD-10) and DI guitars in Sonar at drummers home. Later I will reamp the DI guitars with the Diezel in a studio.
The plan was I was going to reamp the Mark4 and 5150 too, but the other members will find out I'm not gonna record those amps. :no:
I 'm afraid 5150/Mark4 will ruin the grit and carakter of the Diezel, and I want the next album to be 100% pure Diezel :yes:
 
KillDivision":km1n6e5f said:
I'm not playing guitar in my band, but sponsor one of the 2 guitarplayers with the VH4. :D

Both guitarplayers have their cabinets facing the drummer, same volume, same angle. Standing behind the drummer while the band is playing, the Diezel is always more present simply because it has more tone, and it's tone is so well balanced.
The drummer loves the Diezel because thats his monitor in the rehearsalroom.

The compression on Ch.3 together with the huge grit of the distortion (no beezz here!) makes it always present.

We are recording a new album as we speak. Drums (midi, Roland TD-10) and DI guitars in Sonar at drummers home. Later I will reamp the DI guitars with the Diezel in a studio.
The plan was I was going to reamp the Mark4 and 5150 too, but the other members will find out I'm not gonna record those amps. :no:
I 'm afraid 5150/Mark4 will ruin the grit and carakter of the Diezel, and I want the next album to be 100% pure Diezel :yes:
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What I would do is track the Diezel with a humbucker-equipped guitar and track the same part again with a SINGLE-COIL strat. If you mix it right, the tone is to die for...

Visit https://www.myspace.com/fightinginstinct for an example SORT OF like this. Listen to "Desperate Preview." We mixed a Les Paul/Mesa Triple Rec with the Diezel Einstein & an SRV Strat. Tone was great, but I think it might have turned out better with just using the Diezel...not sure though...
 
Great songs, dude! Really like the style!!
Sometimes, the distorted guitars are a bit too much on the metal side, in my opinion. And the singer seems to try to mimic Chris Cornell, sometimes. But lots of character and musicianship. Respect! Been listening to your songs three times in a row now.
 
Thanks for the kind words!

I agree with your opinion on the guitar tones and I think they could improve. However, it hasn't been mastered and the guitars were initially a lot brighter than what turned out post-production. It was really something we just wanted to get out there quick so the A & R guys could check us out, but it still turned out okay. Maybe mixing the Mesa and Diezel wasn't the best option... :)

Anywho, we're headed to Nashville tomorrow to meet with some labels who have heard it and play a couple showcases...wish us luck!

THANKS AGAIN!

Peace
 
TROUBLE...Ok, So got a chance to plug the Mark IV into the same cab. Sounded great. The bass was good, mids were still good, highs were ALITTLE brighter, not much. (though the c90 still sounded alittle better.) Very tolerable and fun. So I plug the diezel in it again, and now my settings are...

Gain-11-12oclock, volume-11oclock, treble-0-1oclock, mids at 4-5oclock, bass at 9-11oclock, presence-8-9oclock, deep-9oclock, master-11.

thats lead channel, and it is still gol alot of fuzz, mid is almost digital, and bass is very woofy and fluctuating. Overall the tone is poor. I know the Einstein 100watt head can do better than this, way better, Ive heard it.. I have heard other diezels and they sound great...I think I have a problem, I dont know how to fix it, if I need to send it somewhere or what? Im primarily a lead player, and channel 2 is very solidstate sounding right now, somehing is wrong. I need more nice midrange, and smooth highs, half of what its producing. Help, I LOVE the diezel sound every other time Ive heard it, and Ive got bad gain or something. Someone please help me, my tone is in a time of suffering.
 
I still think its the cab dude. Just b/c the Mark IV sounds better through the Crate doesn't mean the Diezel should necessarily sound better.

My Diezel sounded "OKAY" with a Marshall cab with actual V30's. It reached nearly its full potential w/ my Diezel cab. For some reason there was a big difference...

On the other hand, I could be totally wrong about this and there really could be something wrong with your amp. I hope not! My best advice is to try out a good cab!

Hope that helps man...

P.S. - Are all the tubes stock?
 
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