Diezel or mesa cab?

[Eddie_Superfox]

First, a big hello guys - I am new to the forum. Just purchased the VH4- it goes without saying it is THE best amp I have owned. The overall tone is so well balanced, and the high end is so articulate- it is so rich in harmonics on the high end, yet it has some immense chug at the same time, without swallowing your high end. I found previously with my dual rec that the high end was lacking in the high end spectrum, especially if I opted for a heavy rock rhythm sound that is a little bass heavy. With the VH4 there is absolutely no compromising.
The only channel I am a little indifferent about is channel 2 at the moment- I am in no way dissatisfied, don't get me wrong, I just haven't found particularly sweet spot yet. So if anyone has found a sweet spot that they particularly enjoy, feel free to share the settings- perhaps a slightly pushed and broken clean type, paired with a telecaster or something...
Anyways back to my actual question- I owned mesa gear previously, and was of the opinion that the mesa cabs were the best thing about my rig before I traded up my dual rec- and so I am currently running the VH4 through a roadster oversized 4x12. The sound I am getting [w/ a musicman axis sport] is amazing in my opinion- I think the cab complements the head so well- like they were made for each other. However I haven't properly tried the diezel cab with the VH4. So I was just wondering if anyone had done any parallel tests between the mesa cabs and the diezel cabs? What are the main sound differences? Are the mesa's slightly more bass heavy than the Diezels, or visa versa? Does one have more headroom than the other? Which gives more value for money? And if you guys reckon the D. cabs are the way to go, I'll sell some clothes and get one [hey, I'm a poor student].

Thanks a lot for your time guys

Eddie

 

[King Guitar]

Hello Eddie,

First off welcome to rig-talk I am sure one of the Diezel boys will chime in for you but I would recommend the new Diezel front loaded cabs to compliment your VH4. They have been redesigned and sound awesome!

 

[King Crimson]

Does one have more headroom than the other? Which gives more value for money? And if you guys reckon the D. cabs are the way to go, I'll sell some clothes and get one [hey, I'm a poor student].

Thanks a lot for your time guys

Eddie

Although I may be a bit bias (

!!! did I say "bias"?) but that's the EOS!

 

[Duolos]

The Mesa cabs will not perform anywhere near the Diezel cabs.....any diezel cab.

 

[van hellion]

+1 you need those new yummy sounding cabs from germany without a doubt!

A Wood

 

[UltraGary]

Isn't this a bit like going to a hot-dog stand and asking if hamburgers are better than hot-dogs?

 

[van hellion]

 

[Eddie_Superfox]

+1 you need those new yummy sounding cabs from germany without a doubt!A Wood

The Mesa cabs will not perform anywhere near the Diezel cabs.....any diezel cab.

hey guys- well the consensus seems like the D. cabs are much better. How do you guys think they are better? In what ways?
and andy, I've listened to your band man, your tone is sick. So that might just sway it for me.

 

[The Udo]

+1 you need those new yummy sounding cabs from germany without a doubt!A Wood

The Mesa cabs will not perform anywhere near the Diezel cabs.....any diezel cab.

hey guys- well the consensus seems like the D. cabs are much better. How do you guys think they are better? In what ways?
and andy, I've listened to your band man, your tone is sick. So that might just sway it for me.

I had the Mesa oversized before I had the Diezel. The oversized SUCK!!! and I´m not saying that because I play Diezel, the oversized series suck bad. The traditional on the other hand (now called Stiletto right?) is on the contuary a really good cab. The differnce, and what makes the Diezel just a tad better, is that when you compare the two, it seem like there´s something missing in the mesa. It´s kind of a hole in the sound, but on the Diezel you get the whole range...am I making any sense at all?

 

[Duolos]

Isn't this a bit like going to a hot-dog stand and asking if hamburgers are better than hot-dogs?

Not at all...a question was asked and answered properly

The NEW Diezel cabs are not comparable to any other cabinet I have played in 24 years of playing. I have played many a cabinet the new cabs are significantly superior to anything else out there and I have tried them all. I own a lot of gear so my opinions are (at least to me and my ears) based on comparison between what I own and so forth. Mesa cabs are lacking a present aspect. Stand next to the cab and you will hear and feel what I am talking about. The sound will seem to be coming from behind the cab about a foot and a half. I tune standard 98% of the time and if you do some real quick chug, the Mesa cabinet completely falls apart. Some people can work with mesa cabs or any other cab for that matter and get decent tone and are happy. That is ok. I am talking on a professional level, a level that optimizes the full dynamics of any Diezel amp. I assure you that when you plug from the mesa into the Diezel you will hear things the Mesa cab was not able to provide. The Diezel cabs are much more dynamic and they stay tight and together. The sound is crisp, articulate and they project wonderfully and are always balanced....no matter the tuning, guitar type, music type.......they stay together impeccably. In addition to all these, there is a bloom and overall ease and feel to them that I have not found in any other cab. What we have done is made a very very good cab and I am not afraid to admit that because it is the truth and because it really is that good. I plug other kinds of amp into them and the result is the same. I am really happy about these cabinets......dare I say.............because they work and bring to the ear what the amp and player are doing in a pure way.

 

[Jaymz82]

When I was in the studio with my band recently I had the chance to compare my Diezel Frontloaded V30+G12K100 against a Mesa Recto Cab. All I can say is VH4 and a Mesa Oversized cab don't work at all together. Didn't sound good at all to my ears. The Diezel cab just blew away the Mesa cab.
When I was in Dillingen to get my cab I also found out that the VH4 really works best with frontloaded cabs. The Diezel rearloaded is a great cab that sound awesome combined with Herbert or Einstein but not with a VH4. This amp sound so much better with a frontloaded cab.

 

[zewango]

I'm using a Diezel 1x12 or a Bogner 4x12 standard with V30 & G12H30's X pattern. Win-Win

 

[King Crimson]

Isn't this a bit like going to a hot-dog stand and asking if hamburgers are better than hot-dogs?

Hot dog for the main course, hamburger for desert - disclaimer, all 100% Diezel choice manufactured!

 

[King Crimson]

+1 you need those new yummy sounding cabs from germany without a doubt!A Wood

The Mesa cabs will not perform anywhere near the Diezel cabs.....any diezel cab.

hey guys- well the consensus seems like the D. cabs are much better. How do you guys think they are better? In what ways?
and andy, I've listened to your band man, your tone is sick. So that might just sway it for me.

Way better, way.

The Godly hand of guitar amplification greatness and grace has imparted its omnipotent supreme singular force upon its blessed continuation of moments of time…

 

[Flavatrocious]

I have just come from the same dilemma my friend and can honestly say that the Diezel 4X12 is the way to go. I mean you have already spent the money on a really great head, one of the best ever made, so be good to it and give it the best chance to sound as good as it possibly can.

I had 2 mesa trad 4X12s and was ok with the way it sounded, it was'nt bad, but i did have the advantage of being able to play through a rear loaded 4X12 Diezel cab and was able to hear the difference in sound quality. I was kinda unsure if i wanted to let go of 2 cabs and have just 1 (for right now ) but, it really was definately worth it.

If sound quality is something you desire and can appreciate, which i assume it is cause you own a VH4, do yourself a flavour and get a Diezel cab. It will reveal the true characteristics of your head and instruments and at the end of the day make playing your guitar a whole hell of a lot more fun!!!

BUY iT NOW!!!

 

[Eddie_Superfox]

I have just come from the same dilemma my friend and can honestly say that the Diezel 4X12 is the way to go. I mean you have already spent the money on a really great head, one of the best ever made, so be good to it and give it the best chance to sound as good as it possibly can.

I had 2 mesa trad 4X12s and was ok with the way it sounded, it was'nt bad, but i did have the advantage of being able to play through a rear loaded 4X12 Diezel cab and was able to hear the difference in sound quality. I was kinda unsure if i wanted to let go of 2 cabs and have just 1 (for right now ) but, it really was definately worth it.

If sound quality is something you desire and can appreciate, which i assume it is cause you own a VH4, do yourself a flavour and get a Diezel cab. It will reveal the true characteristics of your head and instruments and at the end of the day make playing your guitar a whole hell of a lot more fun!!!

BUY iT NOW!!!

Isn't this a bit like going to a hot-dog stand and asking if hamburgers are better than hot-dogs?

Not at all...a question was asked and answered properly

The NEW Diezel cabs are not comparable to any other cabinet I have played in 24 years of playing. I have played many a cabinet the new cabs are significantly superior to anything else out there and I have tried them all. I own a lot of gear so my opinions are (at least to me and my ears) based on comparison between what I own and so forth. Mesa cabs are lacking a present aspect. Stand next to the cab and you will hear and feel what I am talking about. The sound will seem to be coming from behind the cab about a foot and a half. I tune standard 98% of the time and if you do some real quick chug, the Mesa cabinet completely falls apart. Some people can work with mesa cabs or any other cab for that matter and get decent tone and are happy. That is ok. I am talking on a professional level, a level that optimizes the full dynamics of any Diezel amp. I assure you that when you plug from the mesa into the Diezel you will hear things the Mesa cab was not able to provide. The Diezel cabs are much more dynamic and they stay tight and together. The sound is crisp, articulate and they project wonderfully and are always balanced....no matter the tuning, guitar type, music type.......they stay together impeccably. In addition to all these, there is a bloom and overall ease and feel to them that I have not found in any other cab. What we have done is made a very very good cab and I am not afraid to admit that because it is the truth and because it really is that good. I plug other kinds of amp into them and the result is the same. I am really happy about these cabinets......dare I say.............because they work and bring to the ear what the amp and player are doing in a pure way.

Thanks a lot for your comments guys. You guys are sick. I guessed right, the D. cabs are the way to go. I guess I'm just still blown away with how much better the VH4 sounds than my Roadking so I've not really thought about the cab as of yet. But it does make sense that the Diezel cabs are in a different league to the mesa cabs, since the heads definitely are.

So thanks a lot for your comments and advice guys.
And before I part with cash, could anyone give me a quick rundown about the differences between the front and rear loaded cabs- bearing in mind I have the VH4...

 

[Jaymz82]

Generally frontloaded cabs are more tight, focused and have a faster attach. Rearloaded cabs have a more open sound. Also the midrange is different. I was in Dillingen and tried out all 3 types of 4x12 cabs. Frontloaded with V30 with G12K100 and rearloaded with V30.

The rearloaded cab didn't work with the VH4 at all in my opinion. I had a long talk about this with Peter Stapfer and he explained to me that it's a problem of the very strong lower mids the VH4 produces and the rearloaded cab having a special frequency spectrum that doesn't compliment the VH4 very well. He said the VH4 need a very tight cab that can actually convert all the power a VH4 puts out. And that is exactly what I experienced. You can feel the punch and the power the VH4 has with those cab and they stay tight even with volume cranked to 3/4 which is ear bleeding.
Speakers are another point. The pure V30 equipped cab was to midrangy for my taste and to undifferentiated for example with complex chords. Just to many mids. The G12K100 in comparison is extremely tight, quite neutral with a very fast attack.
For me the combination of both speakers worked the best. A very balanced tone with lots of punch, definition and tight as hell. I simply love this cab.

 

[Joeytpg]

so If I were to purchase a new diezel 2x12 for my Vh4 AND Einstein.... which one would work best? and with what speakers?

I play A LOT OF dif. stuff...so it's not just metal.

 

[shampoch]

Hello Eddie,

" I would recommend the new Diezel front loaded cabs to compliment your VH4. They have been redesigned and sound awesome!"

What is the "new redesigned front loaded cab" or what has changed and when?

 

[mincy]

First off, anyone know if new frontloaded Diezel cabs available in the states yet? I'm hoping to pick one up come tax return time. As far as Mesa vs Diezel cabs, I can't give too much insight on the Diezel end, but I have 3 Mesa cabs I use with my Herbert. The only cab I like with the Herbert by itself is the 4x12 Road King cab. It's a very nice cab. Good full range, good projection, and very clear sounding. This is generally the cab I use for gigs with the Herbert. The 4x12 Traditional I have sounds good, but not great. It's missing some low end and how good it sounds really depends on where you stand in relation to the cab. This cab sounds a lot better with the Mesa amps I've had. For instance, I like the traditional more than the Road King cab with my Mark III. My 2x12 oversized is nice, but lacks "something". It's a little muddy as well. Now, pairing the 2x12 oversized with the 4x12 traditional sounds really good. The 2x12 has a lot more low end then the traditional 4x12 and the traditional cab seems to have whatever it is the oversized cab lacks. If it weren't such a bitch dragging 2 cabs around to gigs, I might consider using the combination at gigs, though as it stands, I only play them with the Herbert at home. All this being said, I still feel like the Mesa's are missing something with the Herbert, which is why I really want one of the new Diezel cabs.