Diezel or mesa cab?

[Duolos]

I will have all the new Diezel cabs in their various configurations for NAMM. After NAMM they will be available so if there is interest, let me know now so production wise we can take care of everybody.

 

[King Crimson]

Generally frontloaded cabs are more tight, focused and have a faster attach. Rearloaded cabs have a more open sound.

No offense, Jaymz92, but I must disagree here. In my observations and experience I find that the majority of FL 4x12 cabs are at times somewhat dry sounding. FL cabs tend to be very directional and miss much of the natural resonance from the cab and the complex harmonic overtones that sustain when the speaker is more at-one within the inner dynamics of the RL 4x12 cab.

I can dial in my Herbert with my 2RL-4x12 Diezel cabs and produce very tight, punchy and aggressive results. A major (if not one of the most important) element of this is your choice of power tubes. I love the Ruby EL34B-STR’s for their warmth and creamy gain, and the sweet and warm cleans that they produce (ala 6L6) but I recently put to test some word-of-mouth knowledge from the master himself. It looks like I’m going all JJE34L for the time being with my Herbert. They are wicked sick in my Herbert. I tried the JJKT77 and they did have a nice sweet punch to it on ch3, but it tended to tread very closely to the low end of the Ruby EL34B-STR’s and I already can produce that tone with them.

I’d say to give the JJE34L’s a shot and bias them in pairs at ~72mA just out of crossover distortion and you may be very surprised at what you will discover, all around.

 

[nbarts]

I liked the cleans channel of Herbert with Ruby EL34B-STRs too, however it wasn't worth it compared to how much better ch2 & 3 sounded with my new mixed set of JJs & SEDs. I didn't really dig the full set of JJs or SEDs as much as the mix.

 

[nbarts]

I will have all the new Diezel cabs in their various configurations for NAMM. After NAMM they will be available so if there is interest, let me know now so production wise we can take care of everybody.

So what are the speaker choices?

 

[van hellion]

I will have all the new Diezel cabs in their various configurations for NAMM. After NAMM they will be available so if there is interest, let me know now so production wise we can take care of everybody.

hope you ordered plenty!

A Wood

 

[Jaymz82]

Generally frontloaded cabs are more tight, focused and have a faster attach. Rearloaded cabs have a more open sound.

No offense, Jaymz92, but I must disagree here. In my observations and experience I find that the majority of FL 4x12 cabs are at times somewhat dry sounding. FL cabs tend to be very directional and miss much of the natural resonance from the cab and the complex harmonic overtones that sustain when the speaker is more at-one within the inner dynamics of the RL 4x12 cab.

I didn't say that a rearloaded cab can't be tight sounding but as a matter of fact both constructions differ a lot and its the construction that help produce a much tighter sound. Whereas a rearloaded speaker is mounted with a 1cm thick ring of rubber a frontloaded speaker is mounted directly with is metal chassis against the baffle.
And yes, frontloaded cabs seem to be more dry sounding and directional. But the nice thing is no matter how far away I stand from the cab I always can experience the full punch and thickness of my VH4. That is what a rearloaded cab can't deliver because this cab shows lots of frequency extinction and standing waves depending on where you stand. The effect I had was that in the place where I usually stand on stage and on our practice space I had a thin an high mid heavy screaming sound whereas our drummer couldn't hear himself anymore because he was hit be all the low frequencies I couldn't hear.
In combination with the VH4 this behavior was a major problem because the amp gets a lot of his sound from the very strong low mids, not to speak of the punch and all that. I heard all cabs at Musikmesse and when I was in Dillingen. Took my less than a second to decide to get one of those cabs and I couldn't be happier.

Don't get me wrong. I don't wont to say that rearloaded cabs are but. Diezel wouldn't produce them if it was that way but they just don't work very well with the VH4 because they are not able to handle those extreme low mids. The Herbert and Einstein work very well with the rearloaded cab and when you do only low gain and rock type of stuff they even work well with the VH4. But for a tight and punchy metal sound frontloaded is the way to go in my opinion.

What is the "new redesigned front loaded cab" or what has changed and when?

The Diezel were made by a third party company in the US but those cabs became worse and worse according to Peter Stapfer and because they finally had the money for a own CNC machine they decided to do production themselves. Peter S. began research in mid 2007 as far as I know and the final new made in Dillingen cabs were presented at Musikmesse in spring this year. Those cab have nothing in common with the old cab apart from the Diezel logo. Peter S. built completely new cabs, designed them from the ground up and built them to be the perfect match for Diezel amp, what he absolutely achieved.

 

[petereanima]

a few month ago we had the mesa oversized cabs for a gig as backline. that was the point where i started to hate these cabs. damn, was that a farting, untight somewhat...

 

[Duolos]

I will have all the new Diezel cabs in their various configurations for NAMM. After NAMM they will be available so if there is interest, let me know now so production wise we can take care of everybody.

So what are the speaker choices?

If I tell you I have to kill you


N -Not
A - At
M- My
M- Mercy

 

[Duolos]

I will have all the new Diezel cabs in their various configurations for NAMM. After NAMM they will be available so if there is interest, let me know now so production wise we can take care of everybody.

hope you ordered plenty!

A Wood

 

[nbarts]

If I tell you I have to kill you

You can proceed

 

[Duolos]

If I tell you I have to kill you

You can proceed

So are you saying I have your permission?

 

[Hartmut]

Since when are the "new" Diezel FL Cabs available? I bought mine in october 2007 in the music-store (cologne). So i think that it is an old one. Where is the the difference to the new ones?

 

[nbarts]

If I tell you I have to kill you

You can proceed

So are you saying I have your permission?

That's right. But first things first, let's see the speaker choices.

 

[Jaymz82]

Since when are the "new" Diezel FL Cabs available? I bought mine in october 2007 in the music-store (cologne). So i think that it is an old one. Where is the the difference to the new ones?

Yes, you have a old one. On the new ones I will just quote myself

The Diezel were made by a third party company in the US but those cabs became worse and worse according to Peter Stapfer and because they finally had the money for a own CNC machine they decided to do production themselves. Peter S. began research in mid 2007 as far as I know and the final new made in Dillingen cabs were presented at Musikmesse in spring this year. Those cab have nothing in common with the old cab apart from the Diezel logo. Peter S. built completely new cabs, designed them from the ground up and built them to be the perfect match for Diezel amp, what he absolutely achieved.

 

[Duolos]

Come to NAMM and check the new cabinets out

I can't give away all the secrets right now....

 

[King Crimson]

Where is the the difference to the new ones?

2x12 and 4x12. Your choice of speakers. A new flummoxes. Half the cab is front loaded and the other half is rear loaded in an "X" or "¥±" pattern. What else?

 

[King Crimson]

Don't get me wrong. I don't wont to say that rearloaded cabs are but. Diezel wouldn't produce them if it was that way but they just don't work very well with the VH4 because they are not able to handle those extreme low mids. The Herbert and Einstein work very well with the rearloaded cab and when you do only low gain and rock type of stuff they even work well with the VH4. But for a tight and punchy metal sound frontloaded is the way to go in my opinion.

I must still disagree somewhat with your assessment here. Mainly because we are comparing apples to oranges regarding the sonic source. The VH4 is a completely different animal than the Herbert. With the proper EQ settings you can out-punch just about any channel switching master volume (and for that matter non-master volume) amp on the current market with Herbert being the business end of it. I would go as far as to say that also applies to the clean and mid-gain channel of Herbert.

With my Herbert cab setup I have no problems or issues and I have never run into any concern with other band members or the audiance (for that matter) feeling that they could not hear all the subtlety of any type relating to any such "frequency extinction" or overall punch within the mix of it all, whatever distance from the output.

Again, the absolute sonic greatness and flexibility of the Herbert is vastly different than the sonic greatness and flexibility of the VH4(s), IMHO.

 

[Jaymz82]

You are absolutely right and I'm sorry that I just forgot to mention that I was just talked about my, the VH4 perspective. Certainly the Herbert and rearloaded cabs team up very well and as far as clean and mid-gain tones are concerned even the VH4 sound very good with a rearloaded cab. I was a bit to focused on really high gain metal tones because thats what I do and where the VH4 and rearloaded cabs just do work together anymore.

 

[King Crimson]

You are absolutely right and I'm sorry that I just forgot to mention that I was just talked about my, the VH4 perspective. Certainly the Herbert and rearloaded cabs team up very well and as far as clean and mid-gain tones are concerned even the VH4 sound very good with a rearloaded cab. I was a bit to focused on really high gain metal tones because thats what I do and where the VH4 and rearloaded cabs just do work together anymore.

Hey, Jaymz82, no apologies accepted here, you are "in the know" and I fully appreciate your respect and insight.

The VH4 is without a doubt one of Peter's ultimate creations and I'd love to have one to add to my Diezel arsenal.

You know what I mean, you like one Diezel, and you’ll like them all. There's a certain hi-fi signature to Peter's array of amps that are so unique it is at times a bit overwhelming.

Merry Christmas and happy New Year....

David

 

[Jaymz82]

You know what I mean, you like one Diezel, and you’ll like them all. There's a certain hi-fi signature to Peter's array of amps that are so unique it is at times a bit overwhelming.

Merry Christmas and happy New Year....

David

Absolutely. I'd love to have a Herbert and maybe even a Einstein again. They all sound great, but I had to decide for one, which is really hard.

Merry Christams and a good start into the new year for you too.

Tobi