Diezel reviews?

[supersonic]

I was reading some HC reviews on Herbert and VH4. I don't understand why people rate these amps so poorly One coment on Herbert was that it's a 'one trick pony'! Are these people tone deaf? Herbert covers an insane amout of tones from acoustic like cleans, country twang, classic rock to death metal. Persanally I think that Diezel amps ucover their sloppy tecnique. Maybe these folks think if you pay enough the amp will play itself? Pharken teenagers!

 

[King Guitar]

The review section over there you have to take with a grain of salt as there are lots of kids who post reviews of high end gear they dont have. Sometimes to dog it out of jealousy and sometimes a full blown review after spending 5 minutes with it at Guitar Center

So many great players get killer tones out of Peter Diezels products those reviews are goofy.

Look for a review section rolled out here where you can get input from the membership which should be pretty accurate IMO.

Brad

 

[Joeytpg]

well said brad.

Supersonic, you hit the nail in the head when you said that Diezel Amps uncover ppl sloppy technique and poor playing. They are UNFORGIVING! which I LOVE, I must say my playing has improoved A LOT since owning a Diezel amps.

 

[Duolos]

This is all very true. Sadly, HC is not much good for anything serious about music and or gear. The amount of poor advice towards people needing advice sickens me. The commenting on proper gear does the same because 99% of the time it is wrong. This isn't only for Diezel either. As an owner of some gear, I gave up trying to educate the people who didn't own the gear and their opinions on said gear...lol. Sometimes I think my sincere desire to help people gets the best of me.

 

[steve_k]

Agreed. This site is much more of an influence toward making a purchase rather than HC. I have never played an Herbert, but my VH4 and front loaded 4x12 will always occupy some real estate on my stage.

Steve

 

[White_Van]

well said brad.

Supersonic, you hit the nail in the head when you said that Diezel Amps uncover ppl sloppy technique and poor playing. They are UNFORGIVING! which I LOVE, I must say my playing has improoved A LOT since owning a Diezel amps.

I love my Einstein, but I wouldn't exactly call if "unforgiving". I can pull off stuff on my Einstein and such amps that I wouldn't even dare to try on a Plexi. Just the nature of the beast.

Try pulling off a 3 note per string legato run on a stock Plexi and then you will know unforgiving.

 

[Joeytpg]

well said brad.

Supersonic, you hit the nail in the head when you said that Diezel Amps uncover ppl sloppy technique and poor playing. They are UNFORGIVING! which I LOVE, I must say my playing has improoved A LOT since owning a Diezel amps.

I love my Einstein, but I wouldn't exactly call if "unforgiving". I can pull off stuff on my Einstein and such amps that I wouldn't even dare to try on a Plexi. Just the nature of the beast.

Try pulling off a 3 note per string legato run on a stock Plexi and then you will know unforgiving.

probably, I've never played a plexi, but compared to other amps, the Diezels pretty unforgiving, and when I say unforgiving I mean they have A LOT of note definition and attack... Specially the Vh4

 

[White_Van]

well said brad.

Supersonic, you hit the nail in the head when you said that Diezel Amps uncover ppl sloppy technique and poor playing. They are UNFORGIVING! which I LOVE, I must say my playing has improoved A LOT since owning a Diezel amps.

I love my Einstein, but I wouldn't exactly call if "unforgiving". I can pull off stuff on my Einstein and such amps that I wouldn't even dare to try on a Plexi. Just the nature of the beast.

Try pulling off a 3 note per string legato run on a stock Plexi and then you will know unforgiving.

probably, I've never played a plexi, but compared to other amps, the Diezels pretty unforgiving, and when I say unforgiving I mean they have A LOT of note definition and attack... Specially the Vh4

I agree, everything is relative. Diezel's are definitely not one of those "auto pilot" amps like a MK IV or even an XTC, those smooth I just want to play everything in my bag of tricks amps, but pulling off licks on a Plexi style 2 gain stage amp is a whole other level. I'm gonna buy one just to get my chops in order. Oh, and cranking a Plexi is a joy that every guitarist should be able to experience once.

 

[van hellion]

i think the herbert plays just as easy as my mark iv am i the only one that thinks herbert is a lead guys dream
i get away with murder on that amp.

A Wood

 

[King Guitar]

i think the herbert plays just as easy as my mark iv am i the only one that thinks herbert is a lead guys dream
i get away with murder on that amp.

A Wood

Andy,

We have seen your clips Your "getting away with murder" is "jay-walking" to most of us. I doubt you make the same mistakes I may make in a solo

 

[synchu]

Texas mode on the Einy is what I will call unforgiving Comes as close to unforgiveness as it gets ...
My Einstein delivers a massive most of what I was looking for in an amp. VH4 will be my next purchase (whenever I get rid of few other amps to free up some space). Diezels are very versatile, at least by my versatility criteria, but that depends from the player mostly

Though, I have a custom "based on Mark 4" amp that covers the "fizzy" & 6L6 land... and an oldy Dynacord Reference for some vintage cleans... and a Marshall JTM in the practice place. I do, however agree, that each guitar player should play a cranked Plexi (or JTM) at least once. It is just so "rock"

 

[Joeytpg]

i think the herbert plays just as easy as my mark iv am i the only one that thinks herbert is a lead guys dream
i get away with murder on that amp.

A Wood

hey! go brag somewhere else damnit!





Andy, most of us are NOT in your league baby, I'm sure any amp is a breeze for you.

 

[Rob Tahan]

i think the herbert plays just as easy as my mark iv am i the only one that thinks herbert is a lead guys dream
i get away with murder on that amp.

A Wood

hey! go brag somewhere else damnit!

Hahah..thats hilarious!

Andy, most of us are NOT in your league baby, I'm sure any amp is a breeze for you.

Umm actually i think that the herbert is dead in the middle. I think is VERY transparent but at the same time spongy enough to pull off some decent legato stuff etc.. I wouldnt call it un-forgiving. Id call a Plexi unforgiving. But DUDE if you want an amp that gets away with murder try a Marshall JVM!! That amp practically plays its self! I wish sometimes that the herbert had a little of that... Maybe i could try a few pedals or crank the gain. I like that Petrucci tone. I can nail that on the JVM and other amps but not yet on the Diezel. Any suggestions..?

 

[van hellion]

you boys are just trying to sweet talk me, i know your tricks!

 

[White_Van]

you boys are just trying to sweet talk me, i know your tricks!

Is it working?

 

[van hellion]

 

[freefall]

I like that Petrucci tone. I can nail that on the JVM and other amps but not yet on the Diezel. Any suggestions..?

Hey Rob. Greetings from a fellow Marylander... you guys (Ashes) rock!

FWIW, I've found that putting a pedal or boost in front of the VH4 (particularly on the higher gain channels) doesn't create a tone that's much different that I get if I just crank up the channel gain. My Marshall is different in that respect; different OD pedals give different flavors of tone thru it. Maybe it's because the Diezels have more gain, so hitting the front end harder doesn't make a big difference. Good thing I love that Diezel sound, because to my ears it's hard to make it sound like anything else.

 

[Rob Tahan]

I like that Petrucci tone. I can nail that on the JVM and other amps but not yet on the Diezel. Any suggestions..?

Hey Rob. Greetings from a fellow Marylander... you guys (Ashes) rock!

FWIW, I've found that putting a pedal or boost in front of the VH4 (particularly on the higher gain channels) doesn't create a tone that's much different that I get if I just crank up the channel gain. My Marshall is different in that respect; different OD pedals give different flavors of tone thru it. Maybe it's because the Diezels have more gain, so hitting the front end harder doesn't make a big difference. Good thing I love that Diezel sound, because to my ears it's hard to make it sound like anything else.

Dude thanks! Thats cool you dig our stuff.. you should totally come to the Recher this friday night and see the show! Mr Herbert will be there Are you also in a band? Id like to check out your VH4.
And you are totally right about the fact that the diezel definitely has its own sound reguardless. But for some reason it doesnt SEEM to have as much gain as a JVM or 5153 head. I guess its just a different kind of gain. Or the fact that i really dont crank the gain too high. ...but maybe i will try it on friday!

 

[van hellion]

hey rob i onw a 5153 head, i know what you mean about percieved gain, but i find herbert ch 3 has plenty, no rules jack them gains up if you need to. if im feeling extra shreddy i will put it on 2:30 3:00 sometimes

peace
A Wood

 

[Duolos]

I think the Herbert is great for lead work. This is the part that confuses me between the Herbert and VH4 at times.