Diezel Schmidt vs. Einstein

[MrNixon]

Hey.

Whats the deal between these two amps? I have the Einstein 50 head, and I like how comparable it is to the channels on the VH4, but being that I like all the modes and channels, it kind of pisses me off that the Schmidt comes out w/a beautiful footswitch and lay out (reminds me of a few Dumble amps). I know with the schmidt being Class A and 30w, its tonally a little different, but the fact that all 3 channels are footswitchable kind of irks me, as the Einstein isnt. WHY?!?!?!?

I like the midgain tones on the Einstein, but can the Schmidt cop any heavy tones that the Einy can get? The Mega mode reminds me very much of Ch. 3 on the VH4, which is the main reason why i bought the amp.

Are they comparable in price? I've been thinking of trading my Einstein for a Schmidt, but if the Schmidt is priced up, forget about it; i'll suck it up and continue to be relatively satisfied with my Eenaschteena.

dont get me wrong, I love the Einstein, and its ended my GAS for a while. however, aesthetically and functionally, the Schmidt is a step up. for the amount i had paid for my amp, why do i feel like i've been played? the footswitch and options (reverb, loop) on the Schmidt is AWESOME, and i'm stuck with technically one channel.

 

[Mizati20]

I always thought the Einstein was completely crippled feature wise in comparison to the other Diezel amps, when I was first looking into getting a Diezel I was seriously considering an Einstein, but when I found it it had the lack of MIDI and you can't footswitch the modes, I went with something else...

 

[MrNixon]

I always thought the Einstein was completely crippled feature wise in comparison to the other Diezel amps, when I was first looking into getting a Diezel I was seriously considering an Einstein, but when I found it it had the lack of MIDI and you can't footswitch the modes, I went with something else...

'crippled' is a good adjective. at the time, it was either the Einstein or the other two large heads, which werent THAT far out of my price range, but were too much, y'know. I wanted Diezel tone with relative portability (i also bought a Diezel V30 1x12). Had i known the Schmidt was to have all the features it does, I would've held out for it.

The tone on the Einstein, of course, is great - FX loops are the best i've ever used, but no reverb, a poorly designed footswitch (mine shat out due to the dumb hardwired cable breaking connection) and a first channel with limited access to the 3 stellar modes is frustrating.

 

[Peter Diezel]

Thanks for the information Sir, but we sell the
Einstein as a two channel amp.

The mode switch should be a feature to pre select
channel one for different needs, but I had to recognise
soon that it was a mistake.

We didn´t design the footswitch. We get it from
a manufacture which delivers to a lot of amp
companies. If it breaks You get a new one immediately.

Best,

Peter

 

[spedaontherocks]

The Einstein is a 2 Channel Amp.
The Modes are great, but switching between without checking the levels is not easy.
On stage you have to decide for one sound.
I use a custom made switchboard for the modes - I have a lot of experience with that.
So: The Einstein is a 2 Channel Amp. If you need more channels --> buy the VH4.

@ Hi Peter, ein kleiner, leichterer 3 Kanal-Amp wäre ein Superding! Mit denselben Features des Einsteins für den Livebetrieb.



Gruss Chris

 

[MrNixon]

Thanks for the information Sir, but we sell the
Einstein as a two channel amp.

The mode switch should be a feature to pre select
channel one for different needs, but I had to recognise
soon that it was a mistake.

We didn´t design the footswitch. We get it from
a manufacture which delivers to a lot of amp
companies. If it breaks You get a new one immediately.

Best,

Peter

understood sir. dont take it as a negative jab at you, its just the fact that the modes are sooo kickass and unswitchable makes me do this

thanks for clearing up the footswitch qualm. this did happen, and i got a new one in a pinch.

 

[Anonymous]

What's with all the whining about how the Einstein works? It is it's own amp, not a VH4, Herbert, or Schmidt.

It is a two channel amp with way more versatility and tonal options them many amps out there in it's wattage range.

Having owned all the Diezel models, I have found the Einstein to do it's thing just as well as the other Diezel amps do their thing. It all depends on what your preferences, wattage requirements, tone, and options are going to be for your own playing.

I have no problem using the mode switch in it's standard form and I play a wide variety of musical styles. It's no big deal to reach around and flip a switch. You would do it for making a volume, gain, or tone adjustment, so how is the mode switch different?

As for the Schmidt, it is more expensive then the Einstein models, and quieter when at full volume then the Einstein 50. However, just like every other Diezel amp, it has it's place and does what it does extremely well.

I run mine with all volumes at 3 o'clock, ch 2 gain up to about 3 o'clock, and ch 3 gain at about 2 o'clock. Above that level of gain on ch 3, and the amp loses some of it's clarity in the saturation of the note and starts sounding a bit more like the other Diezel amps used with higher gain settings. Remember that 30 watts will not give you the same gain and feeling as a higher wattage amp, but the saturation is there in spades. A foot toy will give the amp any extra boost you feel it may need for your particular playing style. The Schmidt has way more gain and versatility then any of the boutique amps built, with far more options as stock things already built into the amp. No Dr. Z or those Carol-Ann amps, et. al. can touch the Schmidt in it's wattage class for tone and versatility. I've played those in stores and they are nothng more then a p-t-p style Fender, Vox, or Marshall amp with barely the available options the Schmidt offers stock. And the tones are not that organic sounding to me. The Schmidt has it's own sound, but can get close to the basic standard amp sounds as well. As for gain, forget the others. They are all wannabees.

Sound personel have told me as recently as last Monday at an outdoor job, that the amp carried well into the back of the crowd and had a terrific tone without being thin, harsh, trebly, et. al. It was not being mic'd or using the comp out either. This is with a 5 piece group.

The cleans are a bit different from an Einstein, but extremely organic and versatile sounding. It can do Fender-esque cleans and the reverb is absolutely stellar. The 2nd ch can go from a Vox-ish tone to more modded Marshall type tones and thinned out in the mids, captures other sounds as well. Ch 3 compared to the Vox-ish tone on ch 2 sounds more Marhsall-esque just by changing the footswitch to ch 3 from ch 2. Don't be thinking that this is just a clone of the more popular amps, however. The Schmidt definitely has it's own unique tone and Diezel vibe to it.

I find myself using ch 2 the most and just backing off the volume pedal for slightly cleaner tones when needed. As with the Herbert, this channel can do one hell of a lot of tones without even switching channels.

 

[Gutmann]

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I run mine with all volumes at 3 o'clock, ch 2 gain up to about 3 o'clock, and ch 3 gain at about 2 o'clock. Above that level of gain on ch 3, and the amp loses some of it's clarity in the saturation of the note and starts sounding a bit more like the other Diezel amps used with higher gain settings. Remember that 30 watts will not give you the same gain and feeling as a higher wattage amp, but the saturation is there in spades. A foot toy will give the amp any extra boost you feel it may need for your particular playing style. The Schmidt has way more gain and versatility then any of the boutique amps built, with far more options as stock things already built into the amp. No Dr. Z or those Carol-Ann amps, et. al. can touch the Schmidt in it's wattage class for tone and versatility. I've played those in stores and they are nothng more then a p-t-p style Fender, Vox, or Marshall amp with barely the available options the Schmidt offers stock. And the tones are not that organic sounding to me. The Schmidt has it's own sound, but can get close to the basic standard amp sounds as well. As for gain, forget the others. They are all wannabees.

...

Thanks C-4 - thats a description I feel about the same way (I will refer to your description in another germanspeaking forum). Unfortunately, it's hard to convince boutique freaks to accept a new one in the family. But I think, the Schmidt is the only one to deliver boutiqueish (?) overdrive AND a straight rocksound - just by different playing styles. At the moment I play the schmidt most of the time on ch.2 with B/M/T cranked and Volume set to 9 o'clock, gain about 1. The volumecontrol on the guitar gives me anything from nice clean to dirt up to rhythm rock tones whithout any switching.

You're saying, you play volume at 3 o'clock - which is unbearably loud I think. For me in the band, 9 o'clock nearly beats the drummer and bass player and cuts through the mix perfectly...

 

[Peter Diezel]

The Einstein is a 2 Channel Amp.
The Modes are great, but switching between without checking the levels is not easy.
On stage you have to decide for one sound.
I use a custom made switchboard for the modes - I have a lot of experience with that.
So: The Einstein is a 2 Channel Amp. If you need more channels --> buy the VH4.

@ Hi Peter, ein kleiner, leichterer 3 Kanal-Amp wäre ein Superding! Mit denselben Features des Einsteins für den Livebetrieb.



Gruss Chris

Das ist schon lange klar

100 Watt muß er aber haben

 

[Peter Diezel]

Thanks for the information Sir, but we sell the
Einstein as a two channel amp.

The mode switch should be a feature to pre select
channel one for different needs, but I had to recognise
soon that it was a mistake.

We didn´t design the footswitch. We get it from
a manufacture which delivers to a lot of amp
companies. If it breaks You get a new one immediately.

Best,

Peter

understood sir. dont take it as a negative jab at you, its just the fact that the modes are sooo kickass and unswitchable makes me do this

thanks for clearing up the footswitch qualm. this did happen, and i got a new one in a pinch.

Please no concerns ....... I understand

 

[spedaontherocks]

[/quote]

Das ist schon lange klar

100 Watt muß er aber haben [/quote]

Naja, muss das sein? Also, außer Metal spiele ich ja alles.
Und selbst neben einem abartig lauten Drummer komme ich mit dem 50W Einstein nicht mal auf 12 Uhr.
Wo bitte in dieser Republik gibt es noch Bühnen, bei der 50 Watt nicht mehr ausreichen?
Grosse Bühne = große Monitoranlage oder auch InEar.
Klein und kompakt --> das ist die Zukunft.


Chris

 

[Gutmann]

Klein und kompakt --> das ist die Zukunft.


Chris

Kannst du doch haben:

 

[spedaontherocks]

Ja stimmt! Aber das verdammte Floorboard! Ohne Tuner, Delay/Chorus gehts halt meist nicht. Und dann haste schon wieder ne Kiste mehr. Und ohne 4x12 gehts eh nicht. Habe ein halbes Jahr versucht mit einer 2x12er klar zu kommen. Sobald der Basser eingesetzt hat, warste weg vom Fenster. Nix mehr gehört. Jetzt schleppe ich wieder die 4x12.

Mensch Peter ... mach mal was ... ich habe auch schon "Rücken".

Chris

 

[Bartek]

dann solltest du vielleicht deine boxenwahl oder einstellungen mal überdenken.
wenn ich mit meinen einstein und mit meiner 2x12er einsetze und ich meine standard einstellungen habe, ist der basser weg!!!!!
erst wenn ich wieder einiges nachgeregelt habe ist der basser wieder da, ansonsten hat er keine chance.

 

[PBGas]

The footswitch would have been a very simple fix. When mine went, I didn't bother with getting a new one because really....it was just the cable. I simply took the bottom off....slightly drilled out the cable stop where the cable goes into the switch and I soldered in a stereo jack. This is the way they should have done it because if the cable breaks or shorts, you simply get another cable instead of replacing an entire switch. Cost me 10$ total to do including the new cable.

 

[spedaontherocks]

Also, ich habe wirklich viel probiert. Wenn die 2x12er auf dem Boden stand, hat sie zwischen dem Füßen geblasen. Stellte ich sie auf ein Case, waren logischerweise die Bässe weniger, und ich hatte die Höhen von den Kalotten am Ohr. Wenn ich 3 Meter von ihr weg stand, musste ich sie lauter machen. Dann hat sie nur noch gebrüllt. Habe ich mich seitlich von ihr weg bewegt, dann habe ich sie nicht mehr gehört.
Jetzt spiele ich wieder eine stink normale Marshall 4x12. Die höre ich von überall. Druck ist da, und nicht nur Bass. Und sie klingt insgesamt runder. Im Proberaum kann man sich ja immer irgendwie arrangieren. Aber live ist das so ne Sache.
Bist Du der einzige Gitarrist, ist das vielleicht auch nochmal anders. Und wenn ein Keyboarder dabei ist, musst Du schon um Deine Frequenzen kämpfen. Naja ... es ist ja vorbei ...

Chris

 

[Peter Diezel]

Chris,

wenn mal Zeit ist, solltest Du bei mir vorbeischauen.

 

[MrNixon]

Dear C-4,

AWESOME! I've been looking for a description or video by someone who's had the opportunity to have a rational look at both models. Thanks for the follow up on my actual question regarding the two models.

 

[flownomis]

calling it crippled isnt right

you are limited guitarists if you cant work with "just" 2 channels. man seriously, who needs more? this whole midi thing is far too overrated.

i mainly play channel 1 mode 2.texas

if i want a cleaner sound i roll it off with my vol pot(guitar)
if i want more power and chunk i just boost it with a distortion pedal or my mode switcher (my eini is modded) or just use channel 2 though it has more compression.
no volume drop here, switching from mode 2 to 3 works great.

einstein is a 2 channel amp,where a clever man decided to make it more versatile by letting it have 3 modes. WOULD YOU BE HAPPIER WITH A GAIN POTI INSTEAD ?




i learned to concentrate more on my playing(my phrasing,vibrato etc. giving it soul and a personal feel)than letting g.a.s. steal the time.


i love my einstein ♥♥♥
peace

 

[MrNixon]

i mainly play channel 1 mode 2.texas

if i want a cleaner sound i roll it off with my vol pot(guitar)
if i want more power and chunk i just boost it with a distortion pedal or my mode switcher (my eini is modded) or just use channel 2 though it has more compression.
no volume drop here, switching from mode 2 to 3 works great.

yeah thats my approach as well, although i love the clean tone just as much as the other modes. i guess the real benefit with owning an Einstein is the simplicity and raw power. I prefer the Mega mode over the lead channel in terms of high gain myself though.

einstein is a 2 channel amp,where a clever man decided to make it more versatile by letting it have 3 modes. WOULD YOU BE HAPPIER WITH A GAIN POTI INSTEAD ?

i learned to concentrate more on my playing(my phrasing,vibrato etc. giving it soul and a personal feel)than letting g.a.s. steal the time.

i was just voicing a query i've had since i saw how totally sweet the schmidt is.
wat is a gain poti.
if you're trying to get a little snark/gloating in here, why bother.
i'm not unhappy with the Einstein, i just was like 'wtf mate' when i saw how refined Diezel made the Schmidt. its not like i bought it without any research being done, and believe me, GAS never replaces playing the actual item to me. FYI, most of the gigs i've been doing have me using an AC4 with delay, a little compression and a Keeley BD2. I'm pretty sure i've got a good feel on my sound.